have a friend that has a straight line race bike, like 1/2 mile, my mechanic did the setup, but he has not told me the results from the dyno.

first you need to know how to weld plastic you have to take the part that goes to the TB, and take it out of both boxes, and put the gen4 lets call it boots holder and put it in the gen5.

at the end the gen5 box will bolt into the gen4 TB and have gen4 vel stacks...

we tested months ago in a gen4 box a set of gen5 vel stacks, with a loss of 5-7hp on top end, so the gen4 vel stacks are better for the engine and his engine makes 200hp and mine 190hp.

 

I like it when folks share information like this.

 

Talk to EJR performance and have them modify your airbox. They typically do the mod with the Gen5 but I don't doubt they could make it work for the Gen4. You could probably pick up a couple horses in the top end with that and a proper tune. Then you won't need to buy a $200+ gen5 airbox, weld plastic, get a new filter, relocate anything, or any other hidden BS. And after doing all that who's to say it won't lose power (as mpp12 said, the gen4 doesn't like gen5 stacks).

You'll need to install AIS plates to do it though and you're going to definitely need to get the bike on a dyno or have an auto-tune unit (running off a previous tune) fix your now lean top-end performance. I think EJR charges $500 to do the mod and gold tape the whole airbox. It's a proven mod too (on the streets) from what I've seen. The dyno numbers won't give it justice. They're ZX10R smacks everyone... granted it's specifically set up for roll racing, but only using bolt-ons which is nice.

If you're really that keen on modifying your airbox that's probably your best bet.

 

ddipaola, I dont get it, they do it to gen5???

 

I saw in their IG, what they do to airboxes, I posted that years ago doing it with my mechanic to the gen4 box...

We are talking to change the gen4 box to a gen5...

 

I''ll try to scan back a few years and see what ya posted. And yeah they do some kind of manipulation to allow more "ram air in at high speeds" or whatever the guy told me when I asked. They don't screw with the stacks. They do the mandatory heat taping because if they didn't it'd be super obvious what they're doing with the airbox. The reflective tape you see in they're posts basically acts as a camo. I'll post a pic of what it looks like they're doing. I don't doubt they could carryover that kinda modification to a gen4 box and that way this guy won't have to try retrofitting a gen5. The only established data on that mod though was that the bike went 1 second faster from 130mph to 180mph (don't quote me). Which, if those numbers are correct, is not bad at all. Just don't see the investment worthwhile for the avg rider considering that 1-sec improvement probably came alongside the fact their bike is slammed, extended, has carbon wheels, was tuned, etc.

 

Papa, hot water was invented long time ago.

 

no mystery there.....
just basic mechanics, my mechanic did this for me for 60usd... and a Presidente.

 

Exactly what I thought they did. With the tape acting as a camo.
Send me the link to the og thread if it's still out there (or if one was even made)... would be an interesting read through and would be curious to see the results. $60 and a presidente was a steal :lol:

 

long time ago... mate, you just need to weld plastic, wife out of the house. and a plastic with that shape, I used a motocross plastic... smelly and lots of work

 

The "new guys" on YouTube are just doing what the rest of us have been doing forever, and ppl are buying right into it

 

Ok, you got my attention here. I can do that myself, no need to spend $515. However, does someone know if such a mod will actually work on a gen4? Obviously, the_bitch_ninja gen 5 from EJR has a Draggy GPS and this helps real time measuring times, that is how he gen that 1 second measured. If this works similar on gen 4 will be much cheaper (actually free, since I got everything to do it) than buying a gen 5 airbox... 1 second is a good benefit.

 

mpp12 any personal experience after this mode was done to your airbox ?

 

never raced a gen4 that I have not beaten, the only gen4 that has more power on the dyno is a fully straight line one that races on MR12 and goes to the same mechanic and has same job...(friend of mine)

It works....

 

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your bike is fast....

gen5 with the correct setup is easy 10hp more than a gen4 same setup.

 

Are those pictures of a modified Gen 4 box? ECU still in same location? The Gen 4 and Gen 5 back and forth has me a little confused on which box is actually pictured with the modifications.

 

No...the Gen 5 ECU is in the tail.

 

I should of been more clear. If the modified box above is a gen 4 is the ecu still located in the same position? Looking at the pics it looks like I can see the ecu holder, but I am not sure.

 

that is a gen4 box....
the topic is about retrofitting a gen5 box for a gen4, then we went sideways....

I have a friend that my mechanic did a gen5 box retrofited for a gen4 bike, we have to go to the dyno and test, his gen4 box already had the mood I did.

 

Thank you.

ok to summarize
modified Gen 4 box is a good thing, street proven not dyno proven. Probably wouldn't show up on a dyno anyway.

Gen 5 box in Gen 4 might be a better thing, but mechanic has not disclosed actual results.

Correct?

Thanks for sharing this.

 

the modification has resulted in gen5 via Dragy, a noticeable improvement.... this led me to belive that in the gen4 is the same... since my gen4, has never seen the tail of another gen4...
in the road of in the dyno with pump gas


the result of the retrofit, I have to see it in the dyno. since nobody has tried it....

 

Weight reduction and light rider with skill has alot to do with going fast, luckily I have a good combo going on. Any sub 400lb bike is going to move street or track.

 

Weight reduction and light rider with skill have a lot to do with going fast, luckily I have a good combo going on. Any sub 400lb bike is going to move street or track.

Yes, Rider weight is something I am concentrating on.

Your bike must run really good. 397 wet is awesome

 

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I also only weigh 160

 

I believe Gen5 will net better gains because of bigger air filter and bigger inlet of the box itself. However, first will try mpp12 mod on mine and see how it goes. Then may get gen 5 box. I would love to see difference in the sake of DIY and home made mods. Do not think it will show difference on the dyno due to the lack of incoming air. Draggy would probably help. I am also getting one of these thingies.

 

gen5 parts are just luck... so far
on my end
complete airbox 75
crank 100 (wonder if it fits my gen4)
headers 100

you just have to be checking ebay...

 

According to Kawasaki they are using main/con rods bearings from a stronger material would not be surprised if they changed dimensions too.

 

Same bearings gen4 and gen 5...