[Zx10Geek]

think you should email Justin and WR team as shouldn't have to be putting the filter above 17, the first column of the TPS is irrelevant above 2500 rpm and on the IAP the lean parts over the 30+ columns wouldn't worry about.

Thanks for the input guys, I knew something was wrong, I just kept doubting my instinct because there was no definite reason for the issue I was getting. I should have trusted myself. I'm just annoyed now that I didn't figure it out sooner as I've cost myself the several hours over a few days I spent trying to tune it and now I'm going to have to go back to the maps I started out with a month ago once the problem is fixed.

 

[ZX10RArcher]

Lookie lookie what I see...

 

[Zx10Geek]

Lookie lookie what I see...

Lucky bastard!! I still can't stop the backfiring on my 2013 cause the fuel cut isn't working for me and Woolich thinks I'm making it up.

IAP +100% fuel supposedly isn't enough :angryfire:

 

[ZX10RArcher]

Lucky bastard!! I still can't stop the backfiring on my 2013 cause the fuel cut isn't working for me and Woolich thinks I'm making it up.

IAP +100% fuel supposedly isn't enough :angryfire:

It isn't?

Yeah, I've been trying to keep up with your situation... to me that says something is not right, somewhere.

I've never seen that much fuel had to be added in IAP... I'll go back through later today and read everything and play catch up when I can for you and see if I have any additional things to check or try.

-Anthony

 

[RBZ10R]

Lucky bastard!! I still can't stop the backfiring on my 2013 cause the fuel cut isn't working for me and Woolich thinks I'm making it up.

IAP +100% fuel supposedly isn't enough :angryfire:

your missing the point you don't modify those cell that you have screens capped above, all your going to do is screw up your IAP to TPS transition.

What exhaust are you using btw

 

[Zx10Geek]

your missing the point you don't modify those cell that you have screens capped above, all your going to do is screw up your IAP to TPS transition.

What exhaust are you using btw

I may have added 5-10% around those cells when I was trying to figure things out initially, but nearly all of what you are seeing is what the autotune thought was appropriate to add and it still wants to add another 20-25% to those baby blue cells. That's when I stopped and started to think something is wrong.

I've got a Yoshi 3/4 R77D system with the zeitronix welded into the link pipe.

I'm sorry Justin, I didn't mean to get you annoyed with me for my last post. We all know the old saying "Don't bite the hand that tunes your bike". I was dissapointed that you would tell me that the fuel needed to be added to the IAP map when it is already so high.
I'm only one guy, one bike, I'm not a race team, nor even a bike shop, and no one else seems to be having this problem. So what motivation is there for you to bother yourself with my problem? What's to stop you from just continually putting the issue of one beneath the development for the many? Anyone would have to weigh up that consideration and logically, the one would probably not be worth the time. I will continue to try fiddling with all different parts of the system to try and get the pieces to magically fall into place, but I don't have much spare time either, so it will only be on the weekends that I get to try stuff.
I plan to try disabling and re-enabling fuel cut disable a few times over the course of a few writes and log any differences. It might highlight some differences. I will post here and email (to Woolich) any results I get.
In the meantime, everyone enjoy the Superbikes this weekend (at the best track in the world IMHO) and I'll update again after its all over.

 

[RBZ10R]

I may have added 5-10% around those cells when I was trying to figure things out initially, but nearly all of what you are seeing is what the autotune thought was appropriate to add and it still wants to add another 20-25% to those baby blue cells. That's when I stopped and started to think something is wrong.

I've got a Yoshi 3/4 R77D system with the zeitronix welded into the link pipe.

I'm sorry Justin, I didn't mean to get you annoyed with me for my last post. We all know the old saying "Don't bite the hand that tunes your bike". I was dissapointed that you would tell me that the fuel needed to be added to the IAP map when it is already so high.
I'm only one guy, one bike, I'm not a race team, nor even a bike shop, and no one else seems to be having this problem. So what motivation is there for you to bother yourself with my problem? What's to stop you from just continually putting the issue of one beneath the development for the many? Anyone would have to weigh up that consideration and logically, the one would probably not be worth the time. I will continue to try fiddling with all different parts of the system to try and get the pieces to magically fall into place, but I don't have much spare time either, so it will only be on the weekends that I get to try stuff.
I plan to try disabling and re-enabling fuel cut disable a few times over the course of a few writes and log any differences. It might highlight some differences. I will post here and email (to Woolich) any results I get.
In the meantime, everyone enjoy the Superbikes this weekend (at the best track in the world IMHO) and I'll update again after its all over.

Im not Justin mate, i was recommending you contact him @ woolich racing or you could try contacting his profile on here which is jkwool.

with your settings can you take a screenshot so i can see how you have the autotune setup.

should be similar to these:

Also how big are the files you are using with autotune?

 

[Bigunz]

:+1:


Also I would uncheck the fuel cut until you have the tuning done. If you have it enabled whilst autotuning?

Mine still pops and bangs, granted a lot less but still does. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 

[Bigunz]

Anyone fixed the problem with poor idle on cold start yet?

 

[Joel]

I never had an issue with poor idle on cold start. The bike always run perfect. Have you tried putting the standard map in too see if it's been your tuning?

 

[RBZ10R]

Anyone fixed the problem with poor idle on cold start yet?

increase the idle speed slightly in WR software.

 

[Bigunz]

I never had an issue with poor idle on cold start. The bike always run perfect. Have you tried putting the standard map in too see if it's been your tuning?

yeah when I revert back to the stock map all is fine. deffo something to do with autotuning.

 

[Bigunz]

increase the idle speed slightly in WR software.

The problem is only for the first 15 second or so, It struggles to idle then its fine after the time.
I suspect its running too lean on first start then the AFR starts to work its way down to around 13.0.1. Seems to be just when the O2 sensor is being calibrated/ heated up, so its a bit tricky to get the data.

 

[menace]

Is anyone able to give me a run down I what each setting does in just the launch control part and how it affects it. I wouldn't mind having a play with it at the 1/4 mile tonight

 

[ZX10RArcher]

Is anyone able to give me a run down I what each setting does in just the launch control part and how it affects it. I wouldn't mind having a play with it at the 1/4 mile tonight

Unless you have the Woolich authorized quickshifter in hand and installed, it's not going to do you much good.

 

[Zx10Geek]

Im not Justin mate, i was recommending you contact him @ woolich racing or you could try contacting his profile on here which is jkwool.

with your settings can you take a screenshot so i can see how you have the autotune

Also how big are the files you are using with autotune?

Sorry RBZ10R, my response was both to you and Justin, he's still reading this thread and he was pissed with my post dissin his response to my request for help.

Yes my autotune and exhaust settings looked exactly like yours until I was unhappy with the amount of backfire I was still getting and started to play around with them to try and get some improvement. I think the diameter setting might have been 0.5-1mm different, I'm not in front of my computer atm, but that wouldn't make a world of difference anyway.

My usual log files are around 15MB. I've hosted a small 4MB one on my website if anyone is curious to see what happens when I roll off using the Data Viewer feature in the woolich software. I would be curious to see what other people are getting if anyone wants to share. I will post a screen shot tonight when I get home otherwise.

www.invisimate.com/0004.WRL

 

[Zx10Geek]

:+1:


Also I would uncheck the fuel cut until you have the tuning done. If you have it enabled whilst autotuning?

Mine still pops and bangs, granted a lot less but still does. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

I have always had fuel cut disabled from the day I got the log box. Im curious as to why you found it better to have it enabled during tuning and if you found a great difference when you turned it off? I'm wondering if you are experiencing something similar to what I'm getting? Would you feel like sharing a log file with everyone too or just me if you are more comfortable. I could give you FTP access to my site for uploading if you need somewhere to put it.

 

[Boxtradamus]

If Zx10Geek is getting a +21 AFR under decell, and he states he is, then the Fuel Cut on decell is not working even if it is checked.

+21 is max lean that the Zeitronix will read. That's as high as the Zeitronix will read. Thus that means that if he is getting a +21 under decell then the fuel injectors are cutting completely off and that's not what you want.

You want in the area of about +17 to +18 under closed throttle decell. Then a small amount of fuel is still being injected versus none.

Sounds like his bin file is cutting off the injectors completely like stock, even though when Fuel Cut Disabled is checked {X} it should not be.

The autotune program will see the +21 and try and add fuel up to the max allowed change. Then you go ride again and come back and the autotune will see the +21 and try and add fuel on top of what was already added and it goes on and on because it never makes any difference how much fuel is added because it remains +21.

So you "ignore" the AFR ratios above say, +17 and avoid the last scenario but you still get the negative affects of the +21 ratio when you go ride and close the throttle and the injectors turns completely off.

This to me sounds like what is happening.

No matter how much fuel he adds in the IAP map it doesn't help because the injectors are still turning completely off, AND they are not suppose to if Fuel Cut Disable is checked..

Zx10Geek, does this all sound right to you?

 

[Bigunz]

I have always had fuel cut disabled from the day I got the log box. Im curious as to why you found it better to have it enabled during tuning and if you found a great difference when you turned it off? I'm wondering if you are experiencing something similar to what I'm getting? Would you feel like sharing a log file with everyone too or just me if you are more comfortable. I could give you FTP access to my site for uploading if you need somewhere to put it.

Sorry I think there may be a little crossed wires here? I have the fuel cut unchecked so it wont add fuel on decel when tuning, But the last time I had it checked it deffo worked.

Also from memory ( I"ll have to check) my IAP map showed no fuel added in the area yours has.
That may be due to the higher filter setting your running :dontknow: personally I would revert back to the base WRT settings.

Are you running stock timing, STP maps etc?

 

[Zx10Geek]

Sorry I think there may be a little crossed wires here? I have the fuel cut unchecked so it wont add fuel on decel when tuning, But the last time I had it checked it deffo worked.

Also from memory ( I"ll have to check) my IAP map showed no fuel added in the area yours has.
That may be due to the higher filter setting your running :dontknow: personally I would revert back to the base WRT settings.

Are you running stock timing, STP maps etc?

Yeah, it only added fuel in that area on the IAP when I started playing with the filter settings after I was still backfiring after the autotune seemed to be settling down. I've got the woolich base maps (a couple more degrees ignition at the top end and a more aggressive STP map)