[peterd10r]

Did you not read a single thing I've said in this entire thread?

Okay, I gotta request that you no longer respond to any thing I'm the original poster on again. I'm not joking. You never really contribute in any meaningful way and all you do is get me irritated. Thanks buddy.

Hi Victors!please don't take Scout to serious because I can assure you he means no harm!insult or disrespect!his views sometimes can confuse but that's just Scout and the way he words things!honestly in time his comments will actually humour you!Im 100% sure he is not out to hurt!belittle or insult anyone on the forum!
Thanks mate
Peter


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[nakedinseattle]

Who did your flash and also, no restrictions isn't the same as flashed with a tune for that 3/4 exhaust. Improper flash can be a lot of it.

 

[frickenmoron]

I, personally, wouldn't use full synthetic until the 1000 mile mark minimum. I also wouldn't have changed the oil so early. Those metal shavings are needed to help wear everything in for the first 5-600 miles. You can check my post on my ZX-10RR and see the power I am making. I changed the oil at 600 miles and am still on mineral oil at 1200 miles. The engine will make more power as the break in period goes on, but it shouldn't be a drastic change. I got the 10RR after I totaled my gen 5 10r, and the RR makes maybe 6-8 hp more when fully dyno tuned.

 

[Victors]

Hi Victors!please don't take Scout to serious because I can assure you he means no harm!insult or disrespect!his views sometimes can confuse but that's just Scout and the way he words things!honestly in time his comments will actually humour you!Im 100% sure he is not out to hurt!belittle or insult anyone on the forum!
Thanks mate
Peter


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Nope, cant do it. I've been here a few years now. Just can't anymore. From telling people that flashing doesn't make any more power to the other nonsense that he posts... I'm done. It's cool that you're backing him up and I know many others do as well, but I just can't. He's flat out given people incorrect info and it could cost someone eventually.

Who did your flash and also, no restrictions isn't the same as flashed with a tune for that 3/4 exhaust. Improper flash can be a lot of it.

Woolich.. when I get some real dyno time i will be doing the tuning myself. I'm more than capable and tune on the side. This was just a shootout and the first and only time this bike has been on the dyno.

I, personally, wouldn't use full synthetic until the 1000 mile mark minimum. I also wouldn't have changed the oil so early. Those metal shavings are needed to help wear everything in for the first 5-600 miles. You can check my post on my ZX-10RR and see the power I am making. I changed the oil at 600 miles and am still on mineral oil at 1200 miles. The engine will make more power as the break in period goes on, but it shouldn't be a drastic change. I got the 10RR after I totaled my gen 5 10r, and the RR makes maybe 6-8 hp more when fully dyno tuned.

Don't these bikes come with synthetic from the factory?

 

[frickenmoron]

No sir, they come with MO from the factory. I continued MO after the first oil change, but my next change will be to full synthetic. Unfortunately full synthetic doesn't allow the pistons to wear against the cylinder walls enough for break-in which is why it shouldn't be used until break in is finished.

 

[Victors]

No sir, they come with MO from the factory. I continued MO after the first oil change, but my next change will be to full synthetic. Unfortunately full synthetic doesn't allow the pistons to wear against the cylinder walls enough for break-in which is why it shouldn't be used until break in is finished.

I've never been one to believe in that stuff.. but screw it. I'll swap in some regular and see what happens.

 

[frickenmoron]

Ya, it can't hurt anything. Just make sure you ride normally and your ecu is fully derestricted, and you'll see it make a lot of power after you get rid of the cat. Keep us posted on your gains!

 

[frickenmoron]

Also, have you checked for blow-by? Are you losing any oil between changes?

 

[Victors]

Ya, it can't hurt anything. Just make sure you ride normally and your ecu is fully derestricted, and you'll see it make a lot of power after you get rid of the cat. Keep us posted on your gains!

Cats off.. graves 3/4.. hence why I'm even more concerned about power.

 

[Victors]

Also, have you checked for blow-by? Are you losing any oil between changes?

No, haven't checked. Doesn't appear to be an issue based on my levels so far.

 

[frickenmoron]

Well that's good! The only other thing I can think of is wheel slip on the hookup. What were your numbers?

 

[Victors]

Well that's good! The only other thing I can think of is wheel slip on the hookup. What were your numbers?

Just the first run on the initial hit, only spun for a second and then never did again.. got to 179 before it started to fall off due to heat.. 181 on the gen 4. Give some comparison.. bone stock 14r with just slip one was 189 (no flash, no tune, no filter.. nothing)

We actually pulled the gen 5 twice.. first set was earlier in the day, 2 hours later we pulled it again after I tried a different flash and pulled all most exactly the same.. like .2hp better

 

[frickenmoron]

Well that's good! The only other thing I can think of is wheel slip on the hookup. What were your numbers?

Just the first run on the initial hit, only spun for a second and then never did again.. got to 179 before it started to fall off due to heat.. 181 on the gen 4. Give some comparison.. bone stock 14r with just slip one was 189 (no flash, no tune, no filter.. nothing)

We actually pulled the gen 5 twice.. first set was earlier in the day, 2 hours later we pulled it again after I tried a different flash and pulled all most exactly the same.. like .2hp better

I'm thinking wheel slip was the problem. If it slipped on the first run and the tuner didn't change the load on the Dyno, it's possible it slipped on the second run too and you didn't catch it. You should be making 189-192hp on your setup with proper fueling.

 

[Victors]

I'm thinking wheel slip was the problem. If it slipped on the first run and the tuner didn't change the load on the Dyno, it's possible it slipped on the second run too and you didn't catch it. You should be making 189-192hp on your setup with proper fueling.

There was no more wheel slip. Trust me.. it was just a cold tire on the dyno, warms up pretty quickly. It's obvious whwn a tire slip on the drum, in feel, sound and the graph.

Also see esrlier post in regards to bike being slower than the gen4 in a race... this bike is not making the power it should be.

 

[Newf]

There was no more wheel slip. Trust me..

Also see esrlier post in regards to bike being slower than the gen4 in a race... this bike is not making the power it should be.

Do you have the dyno run printout? Or a pic of the graph? If you're still running stock rev limit or anything less than 14k with a flash it should keep making power right to redline.

Do you have anyway to check that you're getting Full throttle? Also, any fault codes? Ecu in safe mode?

We've had a lot of Gen5 on the dyno here and I can't remember ever seeing a Gen4 come close to any of the Gen5 unless they were running race Camshaft. I've also seen graphs of bikes with very low miles putting out big numbers so doubt there's any mileage restrictions on these bikes.


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[Victors]

Do you have the dyno run printout? Or a pic of the graph? If you're still running stock rev limit or anything less than 14k with a flash it should keep making power right to redline.

Do you have anyway to check that you're getting Full throttle? Also, any fault codes? Ecu in safe mode?

We've had a lot of Gen5 on the dyno here and I can't remember ever seeing a Gen4 come close to any of the Gen5 unless they were running race Camshaft. I've also seen graphs of bikes with very low miles putting out big numbers so doubt there's any mileage restrictions on these bikes.


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I do have one. Rev limit was set at 14050 or 14100. Don't remember which. Power curve is good. Deffinetely not an issue of the throttle blades not staying open.

 

[mpp12]

In your dyno whats normal for a gen4 with flash and slip on no cat... and gen4 with cams?

And whats the normal gen5 with the same...?

Do you have the dyno run printout? Or a pic of the graph? If you're still running stock rev limit or anything less than 14k with a flash it should keep making power right to redline.

Do you have anyway to check that you're getting Full throttle? Also, any fault codes? Ecu in safe mode?

We've had a lot of Gen5 on the dyno here and I can't remember ever seeing a Gen4 come close to any of the Gen5 unless they were running race Camshaft. I've also seen graphs of bikes with very low miles putting out big numbers so doubt there's any mileage restrictions on these bikes.


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[Victors]

In your dyno whats normal for a gen4 with flash and slip on no cat... and gen4 with cams?

And whats the normal gen5 with the same...?

Gen 4.. about 180 after being tuned pllus or minus a few hp. So 177ish to 182ish.

My bike was the first gen5 on this dyno as it's a dyno at a college and doesn't get a steady streams of newer bikes on it unless I bring them to it.

 

[Newf]

Gen 4.. about 180 after being tuned pllus or minus a few hp. So 177ish to 182ish.

My bike was the first gen5 on this dyno as it's a dyno at a college and doesn't get a steady streams of newer bikes on it unless I bring them to it.

That's about the same as Gen4 would pull on our local dyno.. Gen4 with Cams was about 196 if I remember correctly. Gen5 with 3/4 or full system and flash tend to run 190-200, full systems usually give better bottom end but peak numbers are similar.


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[Victors]

That's about the same as Gen4 would pull on our local dyno.. Gen4 with Cams was about 196 if I remember correctly. Gen5 with 3/4 or full system and flash tend to run 190-200, full systems usually give better bottom end but peak numbers are similar.


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Right, exactly