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So, long story short, I'm just not happy with my 2016 ZX6R. I bought it brand new last month with insurance money provided to me to replace my brand new, leftover 2014 ZX10R which got totaled on its maiden voyage back from the dealership. I originally was going to go with a ZX6R to replace my aging 2002 YZF600R, but test rode a few older 2008-09 ZX10R's and fell in love with the comfort and power. Found a fantastic deal on a leftover 2014 ZX10R which I bought back in July and loved it during the short 2 hour ride/time I owned it before fate had other ideas.

Don't get me wrong, the 2016 ZX6R is a fantastic bike, but my main issues are as follows.

1. My balls keep slamming into the tank when hitting bumps or when slowing down abruptly or letting off the gas abruptly. Didn't experience this on the ZX10Rs I test rode or the 2014 model I briefly owned.

2. I know it's a 600 (pardon me, 636), but I'm just not happy the extra shifting involved to get up to speed and then the high revs when cruising in the 70-90 mph zone.

3. Getting quite annoyed with the twitchy fueling when rolling on/off the throttle. Didn't experience this at all with any of the ZX10Rs I rode. From what I gather an ECU flash can help or fix this issue, but if I'm not happy with other aspects of the bike, I don't want to go down that money road unless I'm planning on keeping the bike for years to come.

4. The reach to the bars on the 2016 ZX6R seem a lot further than on my 2014 ZX10R which tires me out sooner and the ZX10R seemed quite plush in terms of absorbing the bumps on the streets and highways.

So, I'm thinking of trading in the 2016 ZX6R for a 2016 ZX10R or possibly a used 2008 GSXR 750 which I test rode at my local dealership the other day and loved. I've owned two GSXR 750s before (2004 and 2007), but the 2008 one I test rode seemed to have a lot more low end power/torque. It is also light years ahead in terms of comfort for my body type and on the hour-long test drive I did it handled the crappy bumps on the roads I have to contend with on a daily basis almost as well as my ZRX1200R. On the ZX6R my ass is flying out of the seat or my balls are slamming into the tank over the same bumps.

Obviously this is not a Suzuki or GSXR forum so I don't expect any feedback on the GSXR, but compared to the gen 4 ZX10R, would the gen 5 ZX10R be less of a reach to the bars and would it absorb the real-world road bumps as well or better than the gen 4?

I've read that the fueling can be a bit sensitive/abrupt in terms of on/off throttle applications and that one quick remedy is setting the engine braking to the low mode to help alleviate this. Is this true and how much does it alleviate it? Would an ECU flash also smooth out the on/off throttle abruptness and if so what kind of cost would one be looking at to accomplish this?

Feedback appreciated. Thanks! My former 2014 (pre-crash) ZX10R picture attached.
 

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600's suck for the street. I tried to tell you that in your other threads. Make it a track bike and buy an upright 1000cc for the street (z1000 for instance).
 

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I kinda knew this would happen....

Trade in for a used Gen 5 ZX10R...Or if you want something more upright a Z1000SX or Ninja 1000.

No point keeping a bike you're not happy with.
 

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I kinda knew this would happen....

Trade in for a used Gen 5 ZX10R...Or if you want something more upright a Z1000SX or Ninja 1000.

No point keeping a bike you're not happy with.
Thanks for the response 10Arghh.

Owned a 2012 Ninja 1000 a few years ago and didn't like the harsh suspension or abrupt on/off throttle character, even after getting an ECU flash by Ivan himself up at Ivan's Performance in Rockland County New York. My ZRX1200R is filling my upright bike needs fine. I just want a true sportbike that I can live with on the streets. Funny how the GSXR and the gen 3 and gen 4 ZX10Rs I've ridden are so much more street friendly and smooth in on/off throttle applications than the 2012 Ninja 1000 I had.
 

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600's suck for the street. I tried to tell you that in your other threads. Make it a track bike and buy an upright 1000cc for the street (z1000 for instance).
Yes, obijack, you did try to tell me and I thought, well, since I was happy enough with my YZF600R, I should be fine with the ZX6R, but the YZF600R has a completely different engine character which revs much lower at higher rpms, is carbureted and of course the suspension is quite soft so it absorbs bumps almost as well as a Goldwing... :laugh2:

I don't see myself doing track riding or at least not enough to justify owning a dedicated track bike. I already have an upright bike, my ZRX1200R, to meet those needs. Just want a full on sportbike I can live with on the streets. Again, the GSXRs and ZX10Rs I've owned/ridden seem so much more comfy and smooth in on/off throttle applications than this ZX6R. Just curious to know how the gen 5 ZX10R is sine I've never gotten a chance to ride it.
 

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Thanks for the response 10Arghh.

Owned a 2012 Ninja 1000 a few years ago and didn't like the harsh suspension or abrupt on/off throttle character, even after getting an ECU flash by Ivan himself up at Ivan's Performance in Rockland County New York. My ZRX1200R is filling my upright bike needs fine. I just want a true sportbike that I can live with on the streets. Funny how the GSXR and the gen 3 and gen 4 ZX10Rs I've ridden are so much more street friendly and smooth in on/off throttle applications than the 2012 Ninja 1000 I had.
You want a true sport bike, but also a soft suspension and smooth throttle? I am not sure what bike you are wanting us to tell you about, but honestly it sounds like you have your mind made up but trying to justify it with nonsense.

Do what you want, get what you want, and be done with it!
 

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Thanks turtle1000 for the response. Well, shorter reach is a good thing for my taste. Do you own a gen 5?
Yeah I own both gen 4 and gen 5 but my buddy has the gen 4 so I can’t just hop back and forth but if my memory serves correct it’s quite a bit further reach on gen 4. Also the rear sets are higher on gen 5 and aren’t adjustable. I’m 6’1” and if you’re much taller I’d recommend aftermarket rear sets. IMO the suspension is the bikes best feature the front end is great and provides a much better ride over bumps which there are plenty of near me. To me there isn’t anything the gen 4 does better than the 5 stock. Maybe stock fueling is smoother on 4 but that’s about it. Engine braking set to low helps so does flash. Flashes are cheap. Keep in mind the gen 4 is probly one of the smoothest FI bikes there ever was so its a high bar
 

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You want a true sport bike, but also a soft suspension and smooth throttle? I am not sure what bike you are wanting us to tell you about, but honestly it sounds like you have your mind made up but trying to justify it with nonsense.

Do what you want, get what you want, and be done with it!
Cool story bro
 

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The reach on the Gen 5 is definitely shorter than on the Gen 4. Kawasaki revised the geometry on the newer model resulting in a shorter reach. Maybe Jonathan Rea likes the bars closer?
 
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Get a ZX14R. Ended up buying one because my gen 4 zx10r was to rough on my back since my injury. Picked up a 2016 ZX14R and its awesome. Tons of power for gun, puts you in a perfect body position so your arms will be at good length and you wont be hunched over as much.
 

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oh man OP, same exact year and color that I have and I just had a hard drop on it back in sept 10, after literally 1 year of owning it :frown2: I feel ya...

and I get you on wanting to swap out for another zx10r, my brother has a 13 zx6r and I rode it for 2 years prior to me getting my 10r. The power difference and ergos are def more comfortable on the 10r and I mean if you could swap out for a gen 5 Id say go for it, the little extra oomph they put into it for the mid range definitely makes it worth it when being compared side by side to a gen 4 in my opinion.

also the gen 4 had that twitchy fueling near the mid-high rpm range, did a euro ECU mod (zx10r ivan mod) and it seems to eliminate it but even without it you wouldnt notice it unless you were cornering at high RPMs in 2nd gear... which for city riding, like wtf man lol. but yeah I much prefer my 10r over a 6r on street any day. Probably vice versa on track tho.
 

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Just get a Aprilia Tuono Factory and be done! lol

Tuono V4 1100 Factory my2017 - Aprilia

PS- I'll trade you my 2016 Suzuki GSX-S1000 for your ZX6R!
i have a 2016 Tuono 1100RR and its brilliant on the street. Great character. Fun as shit. I have a 2005 ZX10, which feels more comfortable than the newer Gen ZX10s (based on sitting only, never rode one). Itll keep up with a "true sportbike" on the road without question. Rather a comfy bike to ride too. Much much better than riding a clip-on bike on the street.
 
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i have a 2016 Tuono 1100RR and its brilliant on the street. Great character. Fun as shit. I have a 2005 ZX10, which feels more comfortable than the newer Gen ZX10s (based on sitting only, never rode one). Itll keep up with a "true sportbike" on the road without question. Rather a comfy bike to ride too. Much much better than riding a clip-on bike on the street.
Indeed man! I concur! Glad to hear you are enjoying the Tuono so much. I'd love to have one! :thumbsup:

To the real OP of this thread: here is to your journey in finding the perfect bikes for you and your type of riding!!! :eek:ccasion1 Please forgive me for clogging up your thread, but maybe my journey will help guide yours.

It is interesting the way my ownership of motorcycles has progressed or regressed (lol) as I have gotten older. 15 years ago all I wanted was a 600cc "sport bike" and I had a bunch over the years. 5 years ago I got tired of riding a 600cc on the street because of their lack of torque and buzzy highway antics (among other things) and wanted 1000 cc "sport bike". 3 Years ago I got into track riding and started hating riding any sport bike on the street. Mostly because once you have really put in time and effort to ride the motorcycle the way it is designed, it is hard for me to go back to riding on the street with everyone else. Now my Gen 5 and R6 are dedicated track bikes.

But the more track days I do, the more I am getting sick of riding on the street at all. Unless it is one of the few places that I can ride hardish. But even on my dedicated street bike, 16 GSX-S1000, street riding is loosing its luster. I think I have a track sickness. My only regret is not getting into track riding/amatuer racing sooner in life! :2bitchslap:

So I try and tell people you don't want a 600cc for the street. It simply is one of the worst choices for riding on the street. It lacks many things i have come to expect out of of performance bike that is driven on the street. Comfort (riding position: handlebars and less aggressive footpeg locations), plush suspension, torque, easily accessible power (power delivery that is designed for the street not top end performance that is needed on the track), electronics, etc.

:idea:

I tell people buy a 800cc-1200cc upright (naked or faired) that is DESIGNED to be ridden on the street and you will be in heaven for street riding (z1000/Z900/Ninja 1000, GSX-S1000/F (I have the naked), Tuono, Monster, CB1000R, FZ10, FZ09, etc.) and still be able to keep up with people riding hardish in the corners on the street and PULL on 600cc in a straight line. But everyone wants the "sport bike" look. And I understand it, I used to be there too. :helmet:

Honestly at this point on my life, if I had to have one motorcycle for the street and the track, it would be either a FZ10SP or a 2017+ Tuono Factory.

- :donkey1:
 

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After owning a Z1000 2015 for 2 years I can definitely advise NOT to get one over a ZX10r.
I thought the Z1 was awesome, fairly comfortable, fast and great handling.
I can honestly say I must have only thought this because I knew no different!!
After 2 month on the ZX I rode my friends Z1 last week and it was AWFUL!!
VERY uncomfortable
Sluggish handling
Very heavy in traffic
Very hard to control at low speed
Very twitchy throttle
And it seems to need around 10 gears as the ratios are so close.
Yes there are many nakeds that are leagues better than a ZX10 on the street but the Z1000 definitely is NOT one of them.
The 2 things it does do better IMO is looks better and sounds better but thats it
 

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Thank you everyone for the feedback and opinions.

I agree with many of the comments about the ZX10R not being ideal for street use. And I guess I'm kind of guilty of wanting that superbike status while at the same time being somewhat comfortable and happy on real road conditions. Can't have your cake and eat it too, right?

But, I have to say, the 2008 GSXR 750 I test road a couple of weeks ago seemed to meet both my needs. It was fast and fun as hell while being quite reasonable at soaking up the bumps and not throwing me into the tank and hurting my precious gonads. Maybe I can have my cake and eat it too, just not with the ZX10R? Too bad that GSXR 750 was taken off the market by the dealer due to its recently discovered "questionable" history. There is another 2011 GSXR 750 for sale by the same dealer, but I just can't stand the huge front and headlight design on the 2011 and newer models. Call me vain, but the huge front-end bugs me.

The dealer has a 2013 GSXR 1000 which I also test rode and would have considered, but it handled miserably in turns (checked tire pressure and no issues, but seemed to want to stand up and not turn in), and at low speeds the fueling was "choppy" and not smooth at all like the GSXR 750 was which is vital for my commuting in heavy traffic. The lousy turning issue may be related to the tires being worn down and needing replacement, but not sure if the fueling issue is inherently part of the engine's character or related to something else.

I'm not interested in naked upright bikes because I do a fair amount of highway riding with some pretty windy conditions at times and have found fully faired bikes preferable, although my ZRX1200R with the tall screen seems to be work quite well in that regards.

I think I may hunt around a little more for some older (2006-2010) GSXR 750s and see if I can find one that is in decent shape at the right price and color (black or dark blue).
 
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