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Why? Because factories have to balance giving you good throttle response with the need to keep the exhaust gases clean. Good response comes from chucking plenty of fuel into the engine. Good emissions come from keeping the fuel supply to a minimum. Hence the increasing complexity: ride-by-wire throttles, catalytic converter protection loops, and dozens of fuel maps which alter ignition and fueling depending on gears, temperature and more. Just saying that modern motorcycle manufacturers have to deal with a lot of shit as far as emissions across the 馃寧. Also making the ETV 1.1 in the wrong areas, and the bike runs like shit. Hell back in the day riding at Willows Springs on a Suzuki big papa 1186 Yoshimura motor with Keihin FCR 41, or 44mm flatslide carbs, if you open the throttle up to soon it would bog, so you grab the grip like a tennis racket handle and moderate the throttle opening. 馃ぃ馃槈
 

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There is no dip in power if the throttle is opened too quickly. There's no such thing as "best performance" for it either. That is only the person riding the bike and their perception of it and how they want the throttle to FEEL. Change it to the way you think it should feel. That's what the ETV map is for and does. It is for the way you want the throttle application to feel for the way you ride. All you want to do is soften the initial TPS values a bit, but the majority should otherwise be 100% across the board and make the TPS and ETV the same. Then your wrist will be controlling the throttle and not the engineers at Kawi. It's not rocket surgery. :ROFLMAO:
Sky, just to elaborate on this statement; is there any performance characteristic change at 5,000 RPMs if the throttle is open at 100% vs 80%? Perhaps not a dip in power, but slower acceleration? I would suspect, "yes" because teh throttle is only open 80% verse 100%, therefore a dip in acceleration (not power).

Basically, if I want faster acceleration sooner, should I move up and "taper" the 100% cells to 5,000 RPMs?
 

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Why? Because factories have to balance giving you good throttle response with the need to keep the exhaust gases clean. Good response comes from chucking plenty of fuel into the engine. Good emissions come from keeping the fuel supply to a minimum. Hence the increasing complexity: ride-by-wire throttles, catalytic converter protection loops, and dozens of fuel maps which alter ignition and fueling depending on gears, temperature and more. Just saying that modern motorcycle manufacturers have to deal with a lot of shit as far as emissions across the 馃寧. Also making the ETV 1.1 in the wrong areas, and the bike runs like shit. Hell back in the day riding at Willows Springs on a Suzuki big papa 1186 Yoshimura motor with Keihin FCR 41, or 44mm flatslide carbs, if you open the throttle up to soon it would bog, so you grab the grip like a tennis racket handle and moderate the throttle opening. 馃ぃ馃槈
So, if I chuck more fuel into the engine sooner, will that provide greater acceleration? Or, does this go hand-in-hand with incoming ram air and fuel? Basically, if I adjust the ETV Map, will this throw off the air/fuel mixture or no, just alter the effect of the throttle blades?
 

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Why? Because factories have to balance giving you good throttle response with the need to keep the exhaust gases clean. Good response comes from chucking plenty of fuel into the engine. Good emissions come from keeping the fuel supply to a minimum. Hence the increasing complexity: ride-by-wire throttles, catalytic converter protection loops, and dozens of fuel maps which alter ignition and fueling depending on gears, temperature and more. Just saying that modern motorcycle manufacturers have to deal with a lot of shit as far as emissions across the 馃寧. Also making the ETV 1.1 in the wrong areas, and the bike runs like shit. Hell back in the day riding at Willows Springs on a Suzuki big papa 1186 Yoshimura motor with Keihin FCR 41, or 44mm flatslide carbs, if you open the throttle up to soon it would bog, so you grab the grip like a tennis racket handle and moderate the throttle opening. 馃ぃ馃槈
Oh, man. Flatslide carbs. That's going back a long time and I feel older from just having to think about that! :ROFLMAO: Those were great if they could be tuned correctly. There were advantages to those over CV carbs, but were more finicky. Accelerator pumps were another thing. Nowadays, the computer software can overcome some of the mechanical limiations related to things like that. It was a natural progression of things. Now it can all be tuned to work together where as a flatslide or CV did only one thing at a time. I somewhat miss the earlier days when a jetkit with new needle and spring was all that was needed versus twitling around with a bunch of numbers in a graph on a screen. A different skill set for sure.

Sky, just to elaborate on this statement; is there any performance characteristic change at 5,000 RPMs if the throttle is open at 100% vs 80%? Perhaps not a dip in power, but slower acceleration? I would suspect, "yes" because teh throttle is only open 80% verse 100%, therefore a dip in acceleration (not power).

Basically, if I want faster acceleration sooner, should I move up and "taper" the 100% cells to 5,000 RPMs?
If the throttle isn't opened to 100%, then you aren't at full throttle. So, yes.

So, if I chuck more fuel into the engine sooner, will that provide greater acceleration? Or, does this go hand-in-hand with incoming ram air and fuel? Basically, if I adjust the ETV Map, will this throw off the air/fuel mixture or no, just alter the effect of the throttle blades?
No. Don't. Touch. The. Fueling.
 

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This is simple, if you open the TB faster or slower than the optimal the bike will lose power, that is wy there is tuners and youtube tuners.
....and I would be a YouTuber. Hahaha.

I looked over your ETV Map and you are using TDH's "Race" Map, which is the Kawasaki Race ETV?

Have you adjusted anything beyond 45?

I been trying to visualize the acceleration path of the ETV and not knowing much about the ETV, I am only guessing. But looking at the Stock/OEM for a 2017, it appears to be more aggressive than the TDH/Race ETV. I am just looking to get the best ETV possible that will enhance acceleration from a hit.
 

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Do you have the other gears? I'm going through this with a Gen 6 and race ecu and every section/rpm comes set at 100% for every gear. I'd like to tame the delivery a bit.

I have TDH's "Race" ETV but it is the same in all gears, 1-6. That being said, your Gen 6 Race ECU is 100% in every gear, every RPM, across the board? You don't see anything other than 100s?
 

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