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I just dont get it. I went to the dealership yesterday and browsed through the new 2012 models. Why does Kawi waste their resources with these sub-par liter-bikes?
The Z1000 and Ninja 1000 are heavier, fatter, inferior suspension, inferior motor, inferior brakes, etc parked right next to a ZX10R. They are crappier all around, except they are more comfy for the long haul. I want to be more comfy on a Z1000 without giving up the superior performance of the ZX10R. WHY cant we get a semi-naked ZX10R with handlebars and no electronic gizmos? PLEASE!
Ten years ago, the 1st gen (2003) Z1000 had the same problems --they used a wimpy motor and inferior suspension with a crummy steel rubber-band frame. At least it looked cool. Many guys put ZX6R suspension on them (thankfully a direct swap) just to get it to handle.
From an accounting standpoint, doesnt it make more sense to produce a larger quantity of the SAME ZX10R parts they already designed and tooled up for, and then only change a few key things to make it comfy and call it a Z1000? Economy of scale.
Please Kawi, I hope you are listening. Because right now Im still riding my 04 ZX10R and it would be nice to see a new bike I actually lusted for. Im not 21 anymore; Im 31 years old now and ready for a naked superbike!
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Because they are cheaper are to build and have a lower MSRP for people who want to get a bike with a good level of performance without the price of a full-on race bike.

PS - I'm turning 40 in a few months and I'm nowhere near ready for a naked bike. :badteeth:
 

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well, there's a reason i have an fz1 for a street bike and not an r1, its more fun for the street, also more comfortable. if you buy new, it costs a few grand less too. the other bikes aren't built for the track
 

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Because they are cheaper are to build and have a lower MSRP for people who want to get a bike with a good level of performance without the price of a full-on race bike.

PS - I'm turning 40 in a few months and I'm nowhere near ready for a naked bike. :badteeth:
Me either, 40 in October... but I must admit, for wheelie fun the Z1000 appeals.
 

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I find it hard to believe that its cheaper to engineer, manufacture, and assemble entirely different parts compared to just manufacturing more of the good parts you already designed and tooled up for.
A good friend of mine has an 08 FZ1 (edit: had, it just got stolen a few weeks ago). It is nowhere near as powerful as the 08 R1, and the suspension is not near as good or adjustable for that matter. After you ride the 08 R1, the FZ1 feels fat and sluggish. Almost nerdy. Although it is easier to ride long distances due to the riding position. The Z1000 is the same story -- a lame duck after riding a ZX10R.
I guess street-fighter ZX10R is still the only option for now. I just dont want to have to build my own when the Z1000 should already be that bike.
Get with it Kawasaki. Give us the 425lb 160hp/75ft-lb hooligan Z1000 that we want!
 

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-1,+5 that is all
 

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I find it hard to believe that its cheaper to engineer, manufacture, and assemble entirely different parts compared to just manufacturing more of the good parts you already designed and tooled up for.
A good friend of mine has an 08 FZ1 (edit: had, it just got stolen a few weeks ago). It is nowhere near as powerful as the 08 R1, and the suspension is not near as good or adjustable for that matter. After you ride the 08 R1, the FZ1 feels fat and sluggish. Almost nerdy. Although it is easier to ride long distances due to the riding position. The Z1000 is the same story -- a lame duck after riding a ZX10R.
I guess street-fighter ZX10R is still the only option for now. I just dont want to have to build my own when the Z1000 should already be that bike.
Get with it Kawasaki. Give us the 425lb 160hp/75ft-lb hooligan Z1000 that we want!
well, to enlighten you a little. the fz1's have the previous gen r1 engines in them, that are also de-tuned slightly for around town ridability instead of top end power. the suspension is adjustable, i'll go take pictures of the stock suspension on mine if you don't believe me. yes, the sport bike r1 is a better handling bike than a standard sport tourer bike, the fz1 only weighs about 30 pounds more as well. so yes, it is cheaper to make because there really isn't any engineering going into the bike, it's older technology.

why do people not understand not all bikes are made the same
 

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Well considering the amount of money these company's spend, and the amount of engineers they likely have on staff, they probably know more than you. So while it may "seem" illocigal to you, they are doing it this way for a reason.
 

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The z1000 is a better streetbike bar none. The zx10r isn't a great commuter, nor is it good for any distance riding. So anyone actually using a bike for commuting and traveling would probably be better off with one.

But many people prefer to have the bike that boast the best numbers. Or wins the most races, or will impress the most chicks. And thus...commuters and long distance riders that choose gsxr, zx10, r1, cbr's

My 2 cents. That is all.
 

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well, to enlighten you a little. the fz1's have the previous gen r1 engines in them, that are also de-tuned slightly for around town ridability instead of top end power. the suspension is adjustable, i'll go take pictures of the stock suspension on mine if you don't believe me
LMAO!! This is a perfect example of someone who doesn't get it. Please allow ME to enlighten you a little. The FZ1 does NOT have the 5-valve R1 motor. It is BASED on the old R1 motor. The FZ1 motor has lower compression among other things and yields weaker performance. Very noticeably weaker if you ride the bikes back to back. Your suspension is NOT fully adjustable like the R1 suspension. Why dont you go out to the garage and take a picture of your compression dampening adjuster on your rear shock for me? LOL
Dont get me wrong, the FZ1 is a great bike. But, they could have served you better with a REAL R1 motor and the real R1 suspension parts.
This thread is supposed to be about the Z1000 anyway, and all I really want is a lighter Z1000 with a ZX10R motor and suspension parts. PLEASE and THANK YOU!
 

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But many people prefer to have the bike that boast the best numbers. Or wins the most races, or will impress the most chicks. And thus...commuters and long distance riders that choose gsxr, zx10, r1, cbr's
Yeah, it's all about boasting and chicks... :rolleyes:
 

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Those bikes are for a different market. It may not appeal to you, but there is definitely a market out there for others. And, I wouldn't say they are an inferior bike, or else we would all be on a BMW S1000rr according to magazine reviews/specs.

Just like cars; BMW has a 128i, then a 135i, and then finally the 1M. None of the cars are inferior to each other.

There are plenty of people around that could take a z1000 up to the hills and out ride 95% of the people up there on full blown sportbikes.
 

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Because they are cheaper are to build and have a lower MSRP for people who want to get a bike with a good level of performance without the price of a full-on race bike.

I agree. The ZX-10R costs a lot more and thus cuts into riders Starbucks budget. So they made one way cheaper to accomodate.
At least that's how I see it.
 

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I agree. The ZX-10R costs a lot more and thus cuts into riders Starbucks budget. So they made one way cheaper to accomodate.
At least that's how I see it.
Your name should be "Thread Ender."

And OP, I had an '05 ZX-10R and just sold an '11 Ninja 1000. The Ninja 1000 is the best street bike I have ever ridden. It's nowhere near as fast as my Gen 4 10R, but it was fun anyway.
 

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LMAO!! This is a perfect example of someone who doesn't get it. Please allow ME to enlighten you a little. The FZ1 does NOT have the 5-valve R1 motor. It is BASED on the old R1 motor. The FZ1 motor has lower compression among other things and yields weaker performance. Very noticeably weaker if you ride the bikes back to back. Your suspension is NOT fully adjustable like the R1 suspension. Why dont you go out to the garage and take a picture of your compression dampening adjuster on your rear shock for me? LOL
Dont get me wrong, the FZ1 is a great bike. But, they could have served you better with a REAL R1 motor and the real R1 suspension parts.
This thread is supposed to be about the Z1000 anyway, and all I really want is a lighter Z1000 with a ZX10R motor and suspension parts. PLEASE and THANK YOU!
Actually you are wrong. The current FZ1 does have 20 valves. I checked Yamaha's website to confirm it.
 
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