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Hi guys,
I've looked and whilst I found some info here and there, I'm still unclear and I'm hoping someone will set me straight.

With the Aussie/Euro model, we don't have the power issue that needs to have the ECU reflashed, so the advice I've read is that a good option mightbe to fit a Bazzaz instead. These are the benefits as I understand it (please correct me if I'm wrong):
- No need to post the ECU abroad
- Can be tuned on a dyno, custom-tuned for YOUR bike
- Can fit a quick-shifter to work with the Bazzaz
- Can fit an oxygen sensor in the exhaust. Don't really udnerstand the benefit though.
Am I right so far?

The main question: the TRE (eg http://www.ebay.com/itm/HealTech-X-TRE-ZX10R-Kawasaki-2008-2010-ZX6R-2007-2011-/280742144843)
Having fitted a Bazzaz, is this also needed, or would the Bazzaz take care of that? Would a TER still be needed if one were to fit a PC or have their ECU reflashed?

Thanks :hello:
 

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Gday bud i sent my ecu out and didnt get anymore power out of it up top but they upped the rev limit,speed limit also removed the timing retard from lower gears and adjusted the injector cut on decal but i had a hard time noticing anything , Ive romoved the air intake flap and fitted a 22 ohm resistor,removed the pair valve and fitted a 20 ohm resistor ,removed the o2 and fitted a 10 ohm resistor on the heater wires and fitted a PCV with Autotune ,also i have a slipon and BMC Racefilter and still only have 177rwhp. The tre your lookin at is for earlier models and if ya get a PCV or Bazzaz ya will also need a ignition module to adjust timing but ya gunna have to find a very good tuner to get ya timing right if ya fit a IM so all in all maybe just stick with the favorite mods and do slipon cat delete,PCV or Bazzaz(with a good dyno tune) quick shifter and -1+1 520 sprocket and chain set i hope this helps and makes sense
 

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It does, thanks. Still need more info though, as there seems to be a lot of conflicting advice going around.
What is an 'Ignition Module'?
 

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A ignition module allows ya to adjust timing , go and have a read about it on the dynojet powercommander website that will help
 

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Tre's don't work on the Gen 4 due to the electrical system on that model.

Playing with ignition can be done through the use of the Dynojet ignition module but I wouldn't bother for now.

Bazzaz is fine as is Dynojet PCV but either of there quick shifters are not the best around and are both old tech, buy an HM or Translogic strain gauge shifter which you can instal even without a Bazzaz or PCV, those two are stand alone and are much better tech!

No need to re flash ECU for you.
 

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Our system tunes off of all available injectors. We tune based on throttle position, gear position and speed sensors. Our fuel controllers are built to work with any quick shifter
 

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Tre's don't work on the Gen 4 due to the electrical system on that model.
Many thanks, appreciate your reply. Not to question your advice ... but is this 100% certain?

Bazzaz Support, I also appreciate your reply, but it's the kind of reply that probably means everything to a 'specialist' but it means little to the average customer. Does that mean that if we fit a Bazzaz then something like the TRE is not needed? Can you also clarify the oxygen sensor issue? It seems to be an important question, because IF it's needed, then we must choose an exhaust that allows for it!
What of the comment re needing an 'ignition module'? I thought that was the point of someting like the Bazzaz? Maybe you've answered this, but I don't know.
Pretend you're explaining it to a 10 year old :thumbsup:
Many thanks!!!!!!!
 

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Gday bud i sent my ecu out and didnt get anymore power out of it up top but they upped the rev limit,speed limit also removed the timing retard from lower gears and adjusted the injector cut on decal but i had a hard time noticing anything , Ive romoved the air intake flap and fitted a 22 ohm resistor,removed the pair valve and fitted a 20 ohm resistor ,removed the o2 and fitted a 10 ohm resistor on the heater wires and fitted a PCV with Autotune ,also i have a slipon and BMC Racefilter and still only have 177rwhp. The tre your lookin at is for earlier models and if ya get a PCV or Bazzaz ya will also need a ignition module to adjust timing but ya gunna have to find a very good tuner to get ya timing right if ya fit a IM so all in all maybe just stick with the favorite mods and do slipon cat delete,PCV or Bazzaz(with a good dyno tune) quick shifter and -1+1 520 sprocket and chain set i hope this helps and makes sense
Mate I am also in Australia. I am running a full graves and first tried to run auto tune with the pcv. (i have previously run auto tune on my k10 gsxr and had great results with it) I followed advice from mates in South Africa and got rid of the factory 02 sensor with a suzuki dyni jet elimanator plug. The bike would run fine and then start messing around in the closed loop areas. I thought it was the pcv and changed to the bazzaz with auto tune only to find out it did the same thing. The bike ran fine until after a while it starts mesing around in the closed loop areas.
I then plugged in the factory o2 sensor disconecting the auto tune to find that the bike now runs fine.( when running the factory 02 sensor I run the optimiser with it)
I thought it was impossible to disconnect the factory 02 and spoke to Joe from Dynatronics who said that on the Aussie model you cant get rid of the closed loop function and to run auto tune you will have to run two lamdas.
Mate this has been messing me around for months.
If you could help me to run auto tune without the extra bung I will be very very happy.
 

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Gday miker1 i cut the o2 off and joined the black (signal) with the grey(earth) and joined the two white wires (heater) with a 10watt10ohm resister but put it somewere it wont burn anything coz it gets hot , i left heaps of wire so i can have the resister at the back of the engine and i have done about 1000kms without problem and have heard of another euro gen4 do the same and runs fine to
 

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And miker1 dont forget to update the firmware on the PCV that has been giving lots of people problems also if ya close to Dandenong Vic i can give ya a hand if ya like
 

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Many thanks, appreciate your reply. Not to question your advice ... but is this 100% certain?

Bazzaz Support, I also appreciate your reply, but it's the kind of reply that probably means everything to a 'specialist' but it means little to the average customer. Does that mean that if we fit a Bazzaz then something like the TRE is not needed? Can you also clarify the oxygen sensor issue? It seems to be an important question, because IF it's needed, then we must choose an exhaust that allows for it!
What of the comment re needing an 'ignition module'? I thought that was the point of someting like the Bazzaz? Maybe you've answered this, but I don't know.
Pretend you're explaining it to a 10 year old :thumbsup:
Many thanks!!!!!!!
Yes I'm 100% certain, if you see one advertised then I bet they have made a typo which I have seen a few times.

You cannot run a X-Tre with the type of electronic system the gen 4 runs and that has been varified by Healtech Electronics who are one of the biggest and most well know manufacturer of Tre's, so yes confident.

What are you trying to achieve out of your bike before we go telling you what you need, are you racing, just street riding or just chasing a nice safe tune so you can run a full system???

On the fuel tuning front buying a Bazzaz or Dynojet unit is more of a personal preference thing for the owner or the tuner supplying it and most people just buy what they or there mates have used before and feel comfortable with, you'd be fine with either although I don't know many that run Bazzaz in Aus just not popular in comparison over here.

There are also plenty of quick shifter options with either brand but neither brand have current tech shifters so I'd look elsewhere when that time comes but that's a whole other conversation.
 

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Thanks SBK-X, appreciate your advice. That's that for the TRE then, great, one less thing to deal with. However; the TRE is used for a specific purpose; does the Bazzaz / Dynojet deal with that specific issue?
I ride on track only, not racing but that doesn't mean that I don't need/want to optimise my bike and my riding ... it's a race agains the clock
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Re the Dynojet/Bazzaz, I agree that both will do the job. A few racers I know through channels use the Bazzaz, they were early adapters of the technology and perhaps they moved across when they experienced the early problems with the PC. The process of asking questions, discussing etc is esseential to my understanding and selection. Thanks again :)
 

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And miker1 dont forget to update the firmware on the PCV that has been giving lots of people problems also if ya close to Dandenong Vic i can give ya a hand if ya like
I am up on the Gold Coast, mate I am going to check the resistance on my eliminator plug to see that it matches your 10 ohm. That is the only way I could be having problems. I tried all the software versions and did end up with the 1.6.1. but i still fitted the bazzaz.

By the way I fitted a graves slipon to my mates zx10 and did a run on the dyno with a map off the net , the bike made 184(188uncorrected). My 2010 gsxr1000 made 170 with lots of tricks on the same dyno.
 
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