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Gents of the beloved 10R forum. I come to you for your unbiased opinions!

Looking into getting another bike, and Ive decided not a supersport for thr street much anymore. I want to get a supernaked. And the choice is a difficult one indeed. 2016 models only for this, Tuono 1100 Factory vs KTM 1290 Superduke R. Both can be had for $14k now that theyre outgoing model year. Both seem outstanding, Ive read a lot of the only stuff. Reviews. Comparisons.

I cant conclude anything for myself, and I have yet to come by a test ride yet, but Ive been able to sit, stare and look over and stuff. Its been a long haul of research. So now I look to you guys, maybe some of you have experience here and can add to my wealth of knowledge from research only.

Both are comfortable, I like them both from the appearances. Most of the riding Id do is highway commutes with some traffic, and some mountain roads. Trackdays are possible at some point. The 10R may serve me for that also though. Im undecided on if I should keep the 10R too, or trade-in. Girlfriend thinks I should keep it and that Id be too heartbroken if I sold or traded it.

Anyways, thats kinda it. Just going through the process of next bike decision making and could use some extra help or people to talk through it with that have some experience. Thanks guys.
 

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Tuono all the way. A V4 is like nothing else. Go for it.

The Superduke is one ugly motorcycle. It's got the power and the riding position to have my license revoked in short order. I don't know what it is about the KTM. Something about it makes me want to abuse it in so many ways.

My opinion is worthless. I've never ridden either and if I had the money to buy a new bike I probably wouldn't give serious consideration to either. I'm a sucker for a V4 though. There really is nothing else like it for me.
 

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Lol noones opinion is worthless to me. In this, it counts as much as mine because I havent ridden either also. I love the V4, but that thumpin twin in the Duke is pretty bitchin too. Ive only ever owned Japanese inline 4s so I want to explore a bit more of the motorcycling world with this next one. Specifically just sportbikes.

Im curious, why would you never consider either? Just not into the supernakeds?
 

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I was in the same boat recently. I made my 16 zx10r track only. And bought a 2016 Suzuki GSX-S 1000 (naked). I looked at the z1000, tuono, super duke, fz10, cb1000r, Monster 1200 S. In the end, the gsx-s made more power and had more features than any of the jap competitors, was more affordable and dependable than the euro models, and comes with abs, traction control, and a host of in dash features. Plus I paid $9,300 otd and I love it. Fully adjustable front suspension and great low end torque for street riding. I am able to hang with my buddies on 1000cc bikes on the street. I am taking it to the track for the first time this coming weekend with the zx10. So we shall see how well it does in that environment.

If I had more money I would have gotten a tuono, but the only one i wanted was the factory model, and those are big bucks. Now if I could only have one bike, it would be a tuono factory. Because with a Tuono Factory, you can ride the track the a super bike, and yet, be comfortable and have fun on the street. Even though that bike is still geared kinda tall for the street.
 

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My opinion is slightly biased but have you looked at the Ducati 939 Hypermotard? While I know the Hyper isn't quite in the same category as the others but it is a great bike. The Duc is an awesome motorcycle, and more than a match for either of those bikes you mentioned for traffic duty and mountain roads. Out of the three, parts availability for the Ducati's are much better, the Testastretta 11 engine is very reliable, the sound they make are like angels singing, and the Hyper is shite tons of fun to ride. I also personally think the bike looks beautiful too. :grin2:

Out of the two you mentioned I'd go with the Aprilia, because parts. The sound it makes it great too. Never rode either though.
 

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I was in the same boat recently. I made my 16 zx10r track only. And bought a 2016 Suzuki GSX-S 1000 (naked). I looked at the z1000, tuono, super duke, fz10, cb1000r, Monster 1200 S. In the end, the gsx-s made more power and had more features than any of the jap competitors, was more affordable and dependable than the euro models, and comes with abs, traction control, and a host of in dash features. Plus I paid $9,300 otd and I love it. Fully adjustable front suspension and great low end torque for street riding. I am able to hang with my buddies on 1000cc bikes on the street. I am taking it to the track for the first time this coming weekend with the zx10. So we shall see how well it does in that environment.

If I had more money I would have gotten a tuono, but the only one i wanted was the factory model, and those are big bucks. Now if I could only have one bike, it would be a tuono factory. Because with a Tuono Factory, you can ride the track the a super bike, and yet, be comfortable and have fun on the street. Even though that bike is still geared kinda tall for the street.
So biggest thing was all of our limiting factor, money? Im in agreement that the japanese bikes would be better value in what you get for how much you paid. And the reliability plus frequency of dealers and such. Ive been waiting for this year because now the 16s are outgoing, and Im sure I wont be able to land a Tuono or Duke for under 10, not including fees, but they can be had for much cheaper than they were originally selling for. Thats for sure. I definitely want the factory of the Tuono options. Though the 1100RR can be had for 12s or under now. So thats not terrible either.

I watched a long review about the Japense minus FZ10, Tuono, Speed Triple and Monster and though they seemed to prefer the Tuono and Speed Triple to everything, the Suzuki and Kawi were definitely held as pretty good bikes and the best of the Japanese bunch.

My opinion is slightly biased but have you looked at the Ducati 939 Hypermotard? While I know the Hyper isn't quite in the same category as the others but it is a great bike. The Duc is an awesome motorcycle, and more than a match for either of those bikes you mentioned for traffic duty and mountain roads. Out of the three, parts availability for the Ducati's are much better, the Testastretta 11 engine is very reliable, the sound they make are like angels singing, and the Hyper is shite tons of fun to ride. I also personally think the bike looks beautiful too. :grin2:

Out of the two you mentioned I'd go with the Aprilia, because parts. The sound it makes it great too. Never rode either though.
I had not even thought about it. I just read some stuff on it since you mentioned it. Seems like a pretty wild bike for sure. One review mentioned it being a niche bike, sort of, and I can see why. The dirt bike look might not appeal to some people. I dont find it to be the most appealing for a road going dirt bike appearance, I think I prefer the look of a superduke, but thats not my reason why it didnt land on my list, its the electronics package. I know that if they go out, youre up shits creek, but Id like to have something with all if the new tech. ABS. Traction control. All the little gadgets just to try them out. Im not this great skilled rider, so theyd definitely help me and keep me safer. Or learn where I can push further while having something ti cover my ass.

Im not disagreeing with you over the hypermotard, it looks like a total hooligan bike. Big smile kinda bike you can mess around on. Hows yours?
 

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In just went through a similar decision and I could never get past the following question...

What does a super naked (Tuono, FZ10, S1000R, etc) do that a Gen 4 or 5 ZX-10R (with mods to suit) does not do as well or better?

Those looking for additional bikes for their stable I think the answer is simply...I want something different. BTW, my number 2 choice and close runner-up ended up being a Triumph Street Triple R. If I had not ended up with a great local deal on a minty ZX-10R it might have won out.

BTW, I've had at least 25+ (lost count) bikes in my life and have been riding and racing since 1988. I think every lifetime sport bike addict owes it to themselves to own something Italian at least once.
 

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I'm considering the Tuono myself as a my daily rider. Knowing and loving that V4 plays a big part of that as well as it being a likely better street bike than the full-on race replicas. Keeping the 10 is smart, because you will miss the I4 screamer if you don't have it. In my experience it takes awhile of going back and forth between the I4 and V4 to really understand and appreciate their differences (based on real life riding in your own situations and not what someone else says). I can't speak for the twins much, but I definitely wouldn't mind having one in the stable for the right money. And that triple is a hell of a fun ride too, although I prefer the middleweight Daytona 675 over the bigger motors.
 

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In just went through a similar decision and I could never get past the following question...

What does a super naked (Tuono, FZ10, S1000R, etc) do that a Gen 4 or 5 ZX-10R (with mods to suit) does not do as well or better?

Those looking for additional bikes for their stable I think the answer is simply...I want something different. BTW, my number 2 choice and close runner-up ended up being a Triumph Street Triple R. If I had not ended up with a great local deal on a minty ZX-10R it might have won out.

BTW, I've had at least 25+ (lost count) bikes in my life and have been riding and racing since 1988. I think every lifetime sport bike addict owes it to themselves to own something Italian at least once.
Biggest reason is something different. Youre spot on. Ive owned my Gen 1 10R for 6 years now. Ive had 3 bikes, 600RR, ZX6R and this 10R. None newer than 2005. I want something different. Something new. Theres a lot of things changing for me in getting a new bike. Im looking for solutions to having 2 bikes. Dont have much in the way of space really, but Im looking into shed options to store them. No garage space. And it gives me something thats sport riding with a more comfortable position to just putz around on. Spot on assessment of wanting a change though.

And I want to see more of the motorcycling world. Just not going too far out there yet, with the chojce of supernaked from europe giving a new feel.

I'm considering the Tuono myself as a my daily rider. Knowing and loving that V4 plays a big part of that as well as it being a likely better street bike than the full-on race replicas. Keeping the 10 is smart, because you will miss the I4 screamer if you don't have it. In my experience it takes awhile of going back and forth between the I4 and V4 to really understand and appreciate their differences (based on real life riding in your own situations and not what someone else says). I can't speak for the twins much, but I definitely wouldn't mind having one in the stable for the right money. And that triple is a hell of a fun ride too, although I prefer the middleweight Daytona 675 over the bigger motors.
Never ridden anything besides my I4 bikes and a very short trip down the block on my friends street triple. Not long enough to learn or draw conclusions. Its why I want to see something different. Everyone raves about the V4 and its the sexiness of the Tuono and its sporting prowess that gets me. The Super Duke, it looks bitchin, seems like a great choice and as a pure street rider, would bd the slight better choice than a Tuono just because of gas mileage, heated grips, slightly more upright seating. Thats what makes it so difficult. I want to keep the 10R dream alive though and not sell the bike Ive had and loved for so long. Im not sure if trading to something else and potentially picking up a Gen 5 in a couple years wouldnt be the smart choice. Or anything. Love my Gen 1 though. Beautiful. Crazy. Lol.
 

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Never ridden anything besides my I4 bikes and a very short trip down the block on my friends street triple. Not long enough to learn or draw conclusions. Its why I want to see something different. Everyone raves about the V4 and its the sexiness of the Tuono and its sporting prowess that gets me. The Super Duke, it looks bitchin, seems like a great choice and as a pure street rider, would bd the slight better choice than a Tuono just because of gas mileage, heated grips, slightly more upright seating. Thats what makes it so difficult. I want to keep the 10R dream alive though and not sell the bike Ive had and loved for so long. Im not sure if trading to something else and potentially picking up a Gen 5 in a couple years wouldnt be the smart choice. Or anything. Love my Gen 1 though. Beautiful. Crazy. Lol.
All very good points - the Tuono is still more sport than street, and if gas mileage is an important criteria than look elsewhere than the V4. I think the smart choice is to go with your heart, especially when it comes to a 2nd bike. Funny thing about already having a bike you love is that there's no pressure, and making a change isn't such a disruptive thing as if you only had one ride, or even had 2 that you could take or leave. Whatever you end up with, you'll likely find that you'll ride one a fair bit more than the other for whatever reason and the other will become expendable. You might choose to replace that expendable one with something else, or decide that you're good with just one bike.
 

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All very good points - the Tuono is still more sport than street, and if gas mileage is an important criteria than look elsewhere than the V4. I think the smart choice is to go with your heart, especially when it comes to a 2nd bike. Funny thing about already having a bike you love is that there's no pressure, and making a change isn't such a disruptive thing as if you only had one ride, or even had 2 that you could take or leave. Whatever you end up with, you'll likely find that you'll ride one a fair bit more than the other for whatever reason and the other will become expendable. You might choose to replace that expendable one with something else, or decide that you're good with just one bike.
Thats what will be interesting to see. If I ride the 10R or the Duke/Tuono more when I get it. This is the furthest thing from a necessity for me, so Im taking my time. Im thinking a lot. Preparing for what I can ahead of time. I may even be overthinking it. But I know I want to be satisfied completely with the choice. Ive never owned more than 1 bike at a time and its only been a couple years that Ive had bike and car. So, new territory to me. I am kinda worried that Im going to miss out on the option to trade in the 10R if I somehow stop riding it for 90% of the riding I do if I pick up a new bike.

Bennice have you ridden the 1100 Factory? And yeah, Ive heard about gas mileage on the V4s. Ive heard the 1100 is better than the 1000 though. The Duke, people have reported 180 miles to a tank, even potentially 200 miles. This isnt a daily commuter bike, though I could use it as one in SoCal, though the V4 may be pretty hot during the summer months, or so Ive heard.
 

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Nakeds are one very small click up from a wing or harley; entire design is aimed toward entry level. When we moved back to the big city I bought the fz1, '07 without thinking or rather thinking stupid. I thought the fz1 was the r1 with higher bars as I was planning on a ton of slab. Entire bike is a waste for the dialed in rider. Superbike is the way to go for all around riding. Did a ton of miles on the fz1, too.

I just looked at the new CBR super and its weight is around 430; Honda has my kinda philosophy of minimalist, it appears. The 10r is under warranty until '19 so when '19 comes around I will remember the CBR again.
 

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Scout that may have been previously true, but these two, the Aprilia more so, are rather very sporty machines. But Im not looking to be the most dialed in rider all the time, and really am not a dialed in rider. I cant extract the potential of a superbike, let alone probably a 250 and Im ok woth that. This is for tooling around and having some sporting capabilities, along with some sexiness. Ive been on a superbike for over 5 years now, and supersports for almost 10, and I want to try something new and different from what I know. Your experience on the FZ1 sounds much different from the experiences Ive heard about the current generation of supernakeds. They have become comfortable motorcycles that possess close, scalpel-like handling.

As far as the CBR is concerned, you should pop in and see how it feels for you. Maybe a test ride if you canscore one and see how you like it. Maybe its what youre looking for and you can move up even sooner. If its something you want anyways. I havent been paying attention to Honda much lately since the show has been Kawi and Yamaha for the Japanese, especially with how Kawi has been killing it in WSBK.
 
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Bro id be happy to see you own either of those bikes. That said, ive had a serious drool over the KTM for a while now...im right there with ya - i go back and forth all the time myself. I too am looking for something with more power down low and have been looking at triples, deuces and twins a while now. On paper only though. Unfortunately havent ridden any of them. Want something a bit more torquey though. Always been curious how a V4 rides. Im looking hard at a Daytona triple as a next bike and had a thing for the Street Triple for a while, but ill probably get something with less than 4 cyl whatever it is. I think those supermotards look like a blast!

Dont give up the 10! Hell i still cant give up my 03 636! You can never have too many bikes - just IMO. I too am starting to want different rides for different reasons. What will the insurance and maintenance be as well as parts availability? Surfed either of their forums?? Reliability? They are both pretty exclusive bikes - dont think youll see another of either but your area may be different.

Shame you cant get a test ride on either. If not just read read read as much as you can, everywhere you can. I like to look at the spec sheets too on ergo's/height/reach,etc.. and where things make power, weight of each, all the detail/fine print shit, measurements and what not. Then you get down to the fine details and the bells/whistles and see what tickles yer fancy, if anything stands out. Ok, ive rambled enough, take yer time, cant wait to see what you choose eventually. Maybe some other forum mem's will chime in with actual real life experience instead of my paper jockey .02.
We share the same tastes in bikes! :helmet:
 

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Have you considered the Yamaha MT-10?

The Yamaha MT-10 Is Not Your Grandpa's FZ-1
what he said MT-10!!!!!!!!!

-20hp on the normal R1, but all the fun...
FZ-10 would be my target.

Also the new Ducati Supersport S would be on the short list as well. Supersport styling with comfy ergonomics! So sexy, I'd have sex with it! LOL

Ducati SuperSport S - Ducati
Salesman at the dealer I saw the Duke brought it up. Its too bulky around the midsection for me. Gas tank felt big. Fairings felt like they stuck out 3 feet on either side. Just wasnt my cup of tea. Also would like to take a shot at a different engine configuration, the V4 or Twin instead of I4s that Ive had all my life. Not that its a bad suggestion, its just not what Im looking for.

I will look into the Ducati though.

Bro id be happy to see you own either of those bikes. That said, ive had a serious drool over the KTM for a while now...im right there with ya - i go back and forth all the time myself. I too am looking for something with more power down low and have been looking at triples, deuces and twins a while now. On paper only though. Unfortunately havent ridden any of them. Want something a bit more torquey though. Always been curious how a V4 rides. Im looking hard at a Daytona triple as a next bike and had a thing for the Street Triple for a while, but ill probably get something with less than 4 cyl whatever it is. I think those supermotards look like a blast!

Dont give up the 10! Hell i still cant give up my 03 636! You can never have too many bikes - just IMO. I too am starting to want different rides for different reasons. What will the insurance and maintenance be as well as parts availability? Surfed either of their forums?? Reliability? They are both pretty exclusive bikes - dont think youll see another of either but your area may be different.

Shame you cant get a test ride on either. If not just read read read as much as you can, everywhere you can. I like to look at the spec sheets too on ergo's/height/reach,etc.. and where things make power, weight of each, all the detail/fine print shit, measurements and what not. Then you get down to the fine details and the bells/whistles and see what tickles yer fancy, if anything stands out. Ok, ive rambled enough, take yer time, cant wait to see what you choose eventually. Maybe some other forum mem's will chime in with actual real life experience instead of my paper jockey .02.
We share the same tastes in bikes! :helmet:
Yeah, I think we definitely have the same taste here. Theyre damn sexy. I havent seen a Duke in the wild, saw a Tuono V4RR 2 weeks ago though on a ride. So sexy. I love them. My biggest thing is that the Duke has that very odd sexy to it, that you just kinda like. Plus a 1.3 liter motor. Even thought the Tuono will pull it on the big end. Such a sexy beast.

KTM seems to be a bit hit or miss on the reliability, with no glaring provlems. Same with the Ape. Ive veen all over Aprilia forums for a couple months now. Theres a lot of neat shit for them, obviously part availability could be a problem because theyre both smaller size manufacturers. The nice part though, I have 2 Aprilia and 2 KTM dealers within 40 miles of me, so Im not too worried there. Plus i do a lot of maintenance stuff myself. And mod stuff. Lol.

Im pretty excited. I dont know what to do about the 10R. I really.love it, been through a lot. But would not mind a change. Just difficult to get back to one after Id imagine. And 2 bikes at once, thatll be kinda funky. I do want to have both though. Well see soon I think. I may hold off till I finish the school semester in May, nut I want to score a deal.on a 16 while I can.
 

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Im curious, why would you never consider either? Just not into the supernakeds?
I'm a sportbike guy at heart so I have to have that squared away first. A new RSVR would top my list until someone at Honda pulls their head out of their ass. I'm not holding my breath. Or I'd sell the ZX and pick up a couple of used bikes of my liking. Then I'd scoop up a 650 dual sport. After that, I'll consider big naked bikes. The worst thing about those bike naked bikes is knowing I'll fall in love with one. Then I'll be all kinds of screwed up! Since I don't commute on 2 wheels and strictly use it for fun, I can be a bit more discriminating. Too many bikes, only one Sasquatch.

Oh, Scout should submit himself for drug testing. Mentioning big naked bikes, especially the KTM and Aprilia in this thread, in the same sentence as Gold Wings and Harleys is blasphemy.
 

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I for one, find no joy in riding a 200hp superbike machine in city traffic. It's not comfortable and the bike hates it as much as I do. I tried other smaller bikes but they always left me wanting. A 1000cc upright is the perfect machine for the street because it is designed for the street, not the track. While my zx10 is the perfect machine for the track.
 
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