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I hope you all enjoy this superior, 1of1, 200hp+, don guhl reputation wrecking map that the Ducati dealer seriously, yes I'm dead serious, put on my PCV today...
You know I gave them a 2nd chance because they were kind enough to follow up with me and address my concerns that the service was taking too long but damn... :headshake:
 

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The fuck is that? There is no way in hell that's accurate

Is your bike flashed btw?

PM me your numbers.. I know what bikes on that dyno make I need to see your dyno graph.
 

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I'll get you guys the actual curves soon. Curve shows a power gain... whoop-dee-do... but the power delivery is a nightmare. First gear is suicide if you're in traffic... no power until 6-7K when the bike practically bucks you off.
 

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I'll get you guys the actual curves soon. Curve shows a power gain... whoop-dee-do... but the power delivery is a nightmare. First gear is suicide if you're in traffic... no power until 6-7K when the bike practically bucks you off.
That's fairly normal for the gen4/5 though.. they dont make power down low. No tuning will fix that.
 

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That's fairly normal for the gen4/5 though.. they dont make power down low. No tuning will fix that.
What I mean is it got worse not better haha. A LOT worse. I'm not even joking you when I say I thought I had the clutch pulled in because the bike would not move, it crawled. I installed a PCV map switch when I got home to compare the 2 maps on the fly (new vs old) and the new map is just totally all over the place vs. the old. I wish you could ride it haha.
 

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The fuck is that? There is no way in hell that's accurate

Is your bike flashed btw?

PM me your numbers.. I know what bikes on that dyno make I need to see your dyno graph.
Here's the charts.
 

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That's not over 200bhp, you were joking right?

Sounds to me like they messed up your map. You should not lose power anywhere, unless you specifically tell the tuner that's what you want. Did they ask you at all what kind of riding do you do, what kind of map you are looking for?

My tune is awesome, and I gained power throughout the entire rev range, including low. I know this only by seat dyno wish I had the money and patience to put the bike on an actual dyno.

If I were you, I would be pissed.
 

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That's not over 200bhp, you were joking right?

Sounds to me like they messed up your map. You should not lose power anywhere, unless you specifically tell the tuner that's what you want. Did they ask you at all what kind of riding do you do, what kind of map you are looking for?

My tune is awesome, and I gained power throughout the entire rev range, including low. I know this only by seat dyno wish I had the money and patience to put the bike on an actual dyno.

If I were you, I would be pissed.
Haha yes, I was totally kidding. And the fuel map is a joke honestly. I shouldn't be losing power anywhere but for some reason the bike is lazy at times. The old Graves map I was running had a very balanced map. I have a PCV map switch hooked up so I was able to test both on the fly while cruising. Yes, the new map has MORE power, but that power is like a black bear. It starts off asleep and then comes out of nowhere to bite you in the a**. And no they didn't ask me what kind of map I wanted. To be honest I didn't tell them either. But, the bike isn't even anywhere near its full 200+hp potential so what was their goal? Avg. power for dealership prices and a laughable low/mid range? :lol: Don't worry they know I'm pissed too. And they're trying to blow me off with a store credit... wtf.
 

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So wait, the 177 was with the "old Graves map" (thought that was a little high for stock), and with the new tune you're at 185.

Understanding that bhp varies from dyno to dyno, tuner to tuner, expectation of over 200bhp is pretty crazy IMO.

Your results is exactly why I went with a pre-made map (specifically for my exhaust & bike model year), and threw on an auto-tune for my f1-85 sprint filter (or any future filter I drop in). I did this because there are no reputable tuners in my area except for maybe one, but my bike would be sitting in the shop for like a week or more (just like you), and past experience tells me, the longer a shop has your bike, the more questions you have when you get it back.

I am guessing I am between 190-195 bhp based on manufacture dyno graph w/stock air filter (and woolich pub map indicated bhp). f1-85 sprint should add like 2 or 3 bhp???
 

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That sub 40% area is part of closed loop. Are stock o2 sensor disabled? If not, the ecu will lean out the afr towards 14.7:1 while the dyno tech continues to add fuel towards ~13-14:1 (or whatever his goal is for cruise) and you can end up with something like this.
 

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What!!??? LOL, I know that is a rolling eyes worthy remark, but it is what it is. My bike definitely feels stronger then when I was all stock.

If you don't have access to a reliable tuner whats a man supposed to do? I'm not about to travel 300 miles for a "chance" at getting a good tune (this thread confirms that even more). Very happy with the FTECU results I have.
 

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What!!??? LOL, I know that is a rolling eyes worthy remark, but it is what it is. My bike definitely feels stronger then when I was all stock.

If you don't have access to a reliable tuner whats a man supposed to do? I'm not about to travel 300 miles for a "chance" at getting a good tune (this thread confirms that even more). Very happy with the FTECU results I have.
Go to your local drag strip and datalog your runs, make small changes until acceleration rate stops increasing, racers been doing it for years way before dyno was invented and it still works.
 

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So wait, the 177 was with the "old Graves map" (thought that was a little high for stock), and with the new tune you're at 185.

Understanding that bhp varies from dyno to dyno, tuner to tuner, expectation of over 200bhp is pretty crazy IMO.

Your results is exactly why I went with a pre-made map (specifically for my exhaust & bike model year), and threw on an auto-tune for my f1-85 sprint filter (or any future filter I drop in). I did this because there are no reputable tuners in my area except for maybe one, but my bike would be sitting in the shop for like a week or more (just like you), and past experience tells me, the longer a shop has your bike, the more questions you have when you get it back.

I am guessing I am between 190-195 bhp based on manufacture dyno graph w/stock air filter (and woolich pub map indicated bhp). f1-85 sprint should add like 2 or 3 bhp???
Nice numbers. My bike will probably be in the same range by the end of the week with this new tuner I've got. He's thankfully dealt with the gen5's before and actually had something to show for it vs. "their word" like Ducati Detroit lol. And yes, DD's dyno reads pretty high. As much as 5HP high I've heard. I will confirm that when I get the stock graph back from the new guy. :notworthy:

Over-all pretty disappointing though with the piss-poor tuning. I don't know if that's how you tune a twin or a v4... but that's definitely a disrespectful fuel map to put on an i4 of such stature... bikes was back to running the Grave's map, and still is, within hours of leaving the dealer.
 

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So wait, the 177 was with the "old Graves map" (thought that was a little high for stock), and with the new tune you're at 185.

Understanding that bhp varies from dyno to dyno, tuner to tuner, expectation of over 200bhp is pretty crazy IMO.

Your results is exactly why I went with a pre-made map (specifically for my exhaust & bike model year), and threw on an auto-tune for my f1-85 sprint filter (or any future filter I drop in). I did this because there are no reputable tuners in my area except for maybe one, but my bike would be sitting in the shop for like a week or more (just like you), and past experience tells me, the longer a shop has your bike, the more questions you have when you get it back.

I am guessing I am between 190-195 bhp based on manufacture dyno graph w/stock air filter (and woolich pub map indicated bhp). f1-85 sprint should add like 2 or 3 bhp???
How do you like that filter? It was between that or an MWR HE for me. I ended up going with the MWR because I couldn't find any info on the F1's other than the generic website stuff. I wasn't sure if it was considered a full-race filter or not either vs. the MWR HE, which the manufacturers confirmed only requires annual maintenance.
 

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How do you like that filter? It was between that or an MWR HE for me. I ended up going with the MWR because I couldn't find any info on the F1's other than the generic website stuff. I wasn't sure if it was considered a full-race filter or not either vs. the MWR HE, which the manufacturers confirmed only requires annual maintenance.
I'm kinda sketched out by it if I am to be honest. I'm going to check it on my next oil change to see how it and the filter housing looks (approx 1000 miles).
 

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Go to your local drag strip and datalog your runs, make small changes until acceleration rate stops increasing, racers been doing it for years way before dyno was invented and it still works.
Local drag strip is like 300 miles round trip, lol. Forget that.

I have an active tune on top of a flash. I don't think I can save my trims from the active tune logging because my flash is locked. Tried once, and it didn't pull up any data. Maybe did something wrong in the order that I did things, very possible.

I'm considering playing around with an unrestricted and unlocked map, and then street tune it. Pain in the ass for sure, but I think my current locked flash has more done to it then just fueling, and I have no idea how to properly tune, so I would just let the active tune get my fueling down to target AFR.

There is a chance I might go to a dyno, but I have so much other things I would rather spend money on.
 

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I'm kinda sketched out by it if I am to be honest. I'm going to check it on my next oil change to see how it and the filter housing looks (approx 1000 miles).
Sketched out how?
Because of their claim that it has massive intake volume, like the P16, but with the same filtration as the std P08? Or...?
 

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Sketched out how?
Because of their claim that it has massive intake volume, like the P16, but with the same filtration as the std P08? Or...?
Yes. You can see right through this filter. Their filtration claim seems a little (lot) far fetched, and I question that it is "waterproof". After purchasing, I lean to the side of I shoulda got the standard p08.

But hey, what exhaust do you have? Block off plates? Do you still have your stock O2 sensor installed?
 
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