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Just wondering if I can run warmers on q3 dunlops at my opening track day. I always run slicks, but have these new q3's in the garage, and was gonna try them instead, and I just like the fact that with slicks and warmers I can giver right out of the gate. My first track day years ago I ran q2's with no warmers, and just hate having to warm them up the first lap. Can I run the new ones on warmers to avoid this, or is this a no no with street tires.......thanks!
 

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I've heard both the Q2s/Q3s do not like warmers. The tires get greasy for some reason. Skip them. They warm up fast enough just running them for 1 lap.


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I have not had that problem I run the Q2 and 3s with warmers and have not had any issues. I find that you can go faster out of the gate because I to hate to have to wait a lap or two for them to get up to temp. I'm in Arizona where track temps get very high. Dunlop says 30F 28R hot off the warmers.
 

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Warmers are not necessary because the tires heat up much more quickly when ridden than track rubber. If you use warmers it won't hurt them, but probably won't do anything helpful.
 

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I put my warmers on for 45 minutes prior to heading to Starbucks, my tires are as warm as my caramel macchiato and stick like glue all the way there.
 

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Warmers are not necessary because the tires heat up much more quickly when ridden than track rubber. If you use warmers it won't hurt them, but probably won't do anything helpful.
I would have to disagree sure their not as necessary for street tires as for race rubber. You still have to take it easy for the first lap or so and the OP stated he didn't really like to do that. So you can go at a quicker pace with tires that have been warmed up and are closer to operating temps. I don't know if you do track days but almost every track day I attend several riders crash on cold tires even though at the riders meeting they stress take it easy for the first lap or so there's always somebody who doesn't get it and goes down. So now your out on track less than a couple of minutes and your session gets red flagged so they can clean up the mess cutting into track time. Hell everyone should use warmers.
 

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I put my warmers on for 45 minutes prior to heading to Starbucks, my tires are as warm as my caramel macchiato and stick like glue all the way there.
Your not doing it right. I take my front warmer with me plug it in to my accessory port and wrap it around my Starbucks so it won't get cold on my ride to work.
 

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I would have to disagree sure their not as necessary for street tires as for race rubber. You still have to take it easy for the first lap or so and the OP stated he didn't really like to do that. So you can go at a quicker pace with tires that have been warmed up and are closer to operating temps. I don't know if you do track days but almost every track day I attend several riders crash on cold tires even though at the riders meeting they stress take it easy for the first lap or so there's always somebody who doesn't get it and goes down. So now your out on track less than a couple of minutes and your session gets red flagged so they can clean up the mess cutting into track time. Hell everyone should use warmers.
You still can't go balls to the wall on your first lap with warmers on race tires. I guess this depends on your pace as well but that's why they give you a warmup lap. Get the tires flexing, and get the brakes heated up. One slow lap isn't going to kill you especially at a track day. Running warmers on street tires will get them greasy faster so your first lap is quicker but by the end of the session your sliding all over the place and now that your warmed up and getting in the zone your tires are falling off.
 

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You still can't go balls to the wall on your first lap with warmers on race tires. I guess this depends on your pace as well but that's why they give you a warmup lap. Get the tires flexing, and get the brakes heated up. One slow lap isn't going to kill you especially at a track day. Running warmers on street tires will get them greasy faster so your first lap is quicker but by the end of the session your sliding all over the place and now that your warmed up and getting in the zone your tires are falling off.
i agree you cant go full tilt boogie but you can go harder right out of the box. I havent had the Q3s get greasy on me im guessing I dont push them as hard as you do.
 

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Let's break this down a little. Ultimately what are you trying to do? Tires like to operate at a certain heat range, and by putting tires on warmers they get to that optimal heat faster as long as the rider/track temp/ambient temp are good enough to keep them there. This rule applies mostly to DOT/slicks. In theory you CAN run DOT/slicks without warmers, BUT you must gradually bring them up to temp on the track with pace. You're doing this so you dont fall on your ass since dot/slicks operate HORRIBLY at cold temps.

Hypersport (Q3s) are also designed to operate at a certain temp. BUT they will still give you good traction (not the best, but good) while they come up to temp. So by putting them on warmers you are helping to eliminate the time it takes to come up to temp.

Can they overheat with warmers? No not really. Warmers generally will still be a little lower in temp then what the carcass wants to see. So unless you are running very low PSI, it's extremely hot out, or you just outperform the Q3s then put them on warmers.

Ultimately what makes you more comfortable. If it gives you piece of mind, run warmers, if not then don't run them.
 

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let's break this down a little. Ultimately what are you trying to do? Tires like to operate at a certain heat range, and by putting tires on warmers they get to that optimal heat faster as long as the rider/track temp/ambient temp are good enough to keep them there. This rule applies mostly to dot/slicks. In theory you can run dot/slicks without warmers, but you must gradually bring them up to temp on the track with pace. You're doing this so you dont fall on your ass since dot/slicks operate horribly at cold temps.

Hypersport (q3s) are also designed to operate at a certain temp. But they will still give you good traction (not the best, but good) while they come up to temp. So by putting them on warmers you are helping to eliminate the time it takes to
come up to temp.


Can they overheat with warmers? No not really. Warmers generally will still be a little lower in temp then what the carcass wants to see. So unless you are running very low psi, it's extremely hot out, or you just outperform the q3s then put them on warmers.

Ultimately what makes you more comfortable. If it gives you piece of mind, run warmers, if not then don't run them.

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i agree you cant go full tilt boogie but you can go harder right out of the box. I havent had the Q3s get greasy on me im guessing I dont push them as hard as you do.
Possibly, I've done a total of 6 laps on street rubber and all 6 were awful. Heck I don't like street rubber on the street, well actually I don't like riding on the street.

Street tires aren't meant to operate at 80*C which is where they should be at if you use the warmers the same as you would on a race tire, that's before you even hit the track. In 4 laps you should be able to maintain that atleast or increase the temp.

Do whatever floats your boat.
 

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q3's are hot within half a lap. hard acceleration and hard braking in a straight line, straight up n down, is how you put heat in tires. if you can't wait one lap before going balls out, i suggest you take a step back and check yourself
 

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As an instructor I have used a lot of street tires on the track just so I didn't have to bother with brushing the tires and installing warmers between classroom sessions and on track drills where time is always short.

The joy of street tires is NOT having to do that extra work all the time. They heat up within a lap or two on their own which is about how long you should spend getting up to speed anyway during a trackday. If you are going to the effort of using warmers then go all the way and buy some race tires to make the most of the money spent on the warmers. The real reason most of us using race tires utilize warmers is not so we can go balls out during the first lap it is to prolong the life of the catalyst inside the tire.

Some of you are probably getting tired of me posting up my past articles, but it saves me a lot of typing if you don't understand the difference between street tires & race tires

http://www.rogueracing.org/tires.htm
 

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I think we have confirmed that you don't need to use tire warmers on street tires with that said there is always the schmuck who does this no matter how much talking is done at the riders meeting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pWyYsLYGX8

three turns in and your session is fucked.
There's one in every crowd, that's for sure. :badteeth:
 

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