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Sweeeet! I wonder if this is trickle down tech from WSBK?

Alternatively, is it meant solely to increase sales and has no benefit on track over a non-electronic suspension?

Regardless, I was thinking of a new bike for 2019 and this might be it.
 

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Interesting. Guess I wasn't too far off with my KECS theory all that time ago:
http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/f23/kecs-hrm-318186.html



Negative. No ECS in WSBK or MotoGP. They have linear potentiometers on the forks and shock to monitor suspension travel for tuning and data acquistion but it is not a feedback system where it is adjusting live on the track. Even most of the fast guys at track days or regional racing will pull the semi-active stuff in favor of the good old bits and pieces that you manually adjust.

The only real benefit of an active suspension is for the guys that go from the street right to the track for the weekend and then back to the street come Monday. You don't have to mess with a whole shit ton of settings before you leave for the track and when you get back home. Provided your suspension is set for your weight you can pretty much just cut loose on the track and have the suspension tighten up and then when you're back on the street relaxing it loosens up a bit.

Just complicating a good thing.... a dual purpose bike I see the reasoning, but a sport bike no..
 

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...my thoughts from the SE thread...

Meh, looks wise its not doing much for me but im pretty interested KECS stuff. Guess it was just a matter of time. Anyone else doing this? I'd think BMW woulda been all over it already. I still like to shift up and down for myself but it might be cool to have a suspension that could adjust itself on the fly. Would be even cooler if down the road it could be developed to have different suspension maps of your liking banked somewhere and the ability to change suspension maps on the fly. Then maybe one could store all fuel and suspension maps in one place? Shit, one day motorcycles will be 185mph computers, already are i guess.
 

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Honestly electronic suspension isn't there yet, from any manufacture. I'm good friends with the North American Race Engineer for BMW and we have COUNTLESS talks about this stuff and he will even say if you go on the track, rip out the electronic suspension and put in conventional aftermarket suspension. The electronics can't keep up.

Also something to think about. On the BMW if you lose power (electrical or motor) while riding the suspension locks up and will NOT move. This can cause some major issues while trying to stop the bike. I'm curious if the Kawi will do the same.
 

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Also something to think about. On the BMW if you lose power (electrical or motor) while riding the suspension locks up and will NOT move. This can cause some major issues while trying to stop the bike. I'm curious if the Kawi will do the same.
That doesn't sound fun at all lol
 

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Just had a call with a friend, he had the 2011 multistrada ohlins electronic... he is a very very fast rider....
he also owns a zx10r gen4 and now a gen5.

he tells me that the old ohlins you preadjusted electronically and the bike just stayed there and It was very nice at hi speeds.

The new multistrada 2016, he tells me the bike mid corner starts to act and move around and change feelings...
 

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I don't care how fast the system reacts to changes if the damping rates are incorrect to begin with, as they always are, then all you are getting is another wrong setting chosen for you by the Control Unit. Much of that leads to inconsistency in the way the bike reacts. For that reason alone I cannot recall a single club racer I have met let alone a Pro racer using any type of OEM active suspension components.
 

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My teammate is racing a BMW, he had to rip out all the active suspension and replace it when he started to get fairly quick.

Don't see it as a good thing outside of the average street rider - but for anyone really using the bikes the way they are intended, seems to be a step down. Hopefully you could still order one without (just like you can order without the ABS).
 

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Would be interesting to get a fast rider who knows the current ZX10r platform to provide an honest review of this suspension package. Although all bike purchases I make include a budget for aftermarket suspension.

There may be a stock suspension package out there that works great out of the box, I guess I've just been unlucky up to this point.
 

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Just had a call with a friend, he had the 2011 multistrada ohlins electronic... he is a very very fast rider....
he also owns a zx10r gen4 and now a gen5.

he tells me that the old ohlins you preadjusted electronically and the bike just stayed there and It was very nice at hi speeds.

The new multistrada 2016, he tells me the bike mid corner starts to act and move around and change feelings...
Yup two totally different systems. The "semi active" systems are basically an electric flapper valve. The valve opens and closes in milliseconds and simulates damping based on a number of inputs. These valves are in a closed state at zero power which is why they lock up when power is removed.

Like you mentioned the Ohlins system just replaces the manual adjuster with a servo that moves the needle up and down based on the number you set the electronics at. At no time does the needle move unless you change it in the dash.
 

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My teammate is racing a BMW, he had to rip out all the active suspension and replace it when he started to get fairly quick.

Don't see it as a good thing outside of the average street rider - but for anyone really using the bikes the way they are intended, seems to be a step down. Hopefully you could still order one without (just like you can order without the ABS).
Not everyone is a track elitist though where you only need to set it and forget it pretty much, for the same piece of road over and over again. And plus we all know most times if not always, OEM sucks and either needs to be tweaked or replaced all together and it seems the tweaking is usually figured out and done best by riders that are on forums like this. I think its a step in a interesting direction. Its application may not be intended for track only riders.

And i love it when someone thinks a motorcycle of any kind could only ever have just one purpose lol. Such a narrow focus.
 

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Capncalyx...

maybe the point is NOT....... electronic is useless for racing... since we all race,... sucks...no

the point here
1- is not hard to reach the limit of the electronic suspension.
2- the standard one on gen5 is prettty pretty good, and we all know it.
3- when energy goes out electronic suspension no bueno, it locks...
4- why go electronic in a sport bike since the range of terrain is so narrow.... and conventional ones are so good this days
 

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The real point is they build all of this suspension to the cheapest price point possible and they do it in a manner that is meant to entice the average consumer of the product. Think about how dumb the average person you meet in day to day life is and then realize that half the people are even dumber than that... Marketing hype and gimmicks work. I've said it before you if you mounted a plastic dog turd on a wall plaque that sang Billy Idols White Wedding when you pushed a button it and then advertised it on TV SOMEBODY WOULD FUCKIN BUY IT!


In the case of the ZX-10R they have done it with basically fake Gas Charged Superbike Forks that work like shit and now they are moving on to electronic controlled bits that will also work like shit, but because it is different or appears trendy people will gladly part with their money to own it and most of them will be just totally satisfied with it. More savvy riders or the kind of motorcycle owner that is experienced enough to form their own opinions instead of having to read one out of a motorcycle magazine will in most cases NOT be satisfied with the OEM suspension and will make plans to go aftermarket for their suspension needs. Many will be budgeting that into the purchase before they even sign the papers at the dealership.
 

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Im just saying, i see it as nothing more than a interesting concept that should be developed to try to find out if it actually could have any real world applications. I just think its too cool to squash it entirely right off the bat, just something cool enough to explore and thats it. Simply thinking out loud here.

Its scary and ridiculous that the system shuts down or goes stiff if the bike shuts off.

My only thinking was it would be cool to be able to push a button on the fly instead of stopping and using a screwdriver/whatever to make suspension adjustments on the side of the road. But yea i do think it will be gimmicky enough that it will be cost prohibitive to buy such a thing when its only use is that of being able to adjust on the fly. I just thought after some development it might have uses elsewhere in the world on other platforms. Dont know, havent given it much thought.

Id like more riders to be informed about having quality suspension but even if they're informed it wont mean all of us can plop down $1500 for a luxury part and thats part of the conundrum IMO. I agree, i already cant afford a CHEAP suspension upgrade much less this kinda technology and i also dont feel in any way that i should just give up riding because i cant afford the latest Ohlins. Why cant manf'ers stop putting turd suspensions on bikes out of the factory? Bike prices are already through the roof, why not put some extra R&D into suspension, prices always go up anyway and that way Average users would have a decent suspension to ride on until a upgrade, if ever. Either that or go the other way and put non adjustable complete turd OEM suspensions on and bring the price of the bike down if everyone is just gonna swap it out anyway. Somethings gotta give lol.
 
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