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Person works for company A for 2.5 years. Company is BIG corp bank owned. Employee has been there since the co. had 150 employees. Now the co. has 500 employees. Employee has had 2 reviews, all excellent. However, NO raise has been given ever. Lower paid employees, across the board, are being given raises to make everyone equal on the payscale. Person is a top producer in the company. Considered a valuable employee and never rocks the boat. Person has 10 years experience in the industry and an untarnished past. Pay structures have been changed twice while employed at company A. Employee is told that bonuses make up for any raise (spun ever so beautifully). Bonuses based upon quantity, yet the goal is raised constantly. Total BS truely. No it's not sales either. Basically gettin fugged over. Person is looking for well thought, experienced corporate negociating to approach the upper management. Seriously folks.

I have always felt the majority of this forum's membership is good people with a lot of life experience. Gimme some thoughts on how to approach this. Person wants to avoid full-on legal battle.
 

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Sorry, I can't help. I am in the same boat except, soon as the area I have been assigned to starts to make some improvement I get moved "laterally" to another area in worse shape. When reviews come around I always get reviewed on my current department not he previous ones. I need to wake up!
 

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10 years ex recruiting... You need to talk to ex and neg a pay rise based on your performance reviews. If its not possible, ask why ? If the business is doing well, your doing well and your team is doing well, why arent you being rewarded.
Is your manager adequately representing you to senior management or is he/she a blocker.
You need to understand your position, the company position and you managers position, and are your skill sets in high demand ?. Put some feelers out in the market place and see what happens.

Good Luck !
 

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time for a new job. raise base on your job performance and bonus is from the company performance. you help the company make a profit and they share it with the employee's of the company.
 

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You only get what you ask for or are willing to jump through hoops for. If you are a top performer in a specialized job that any caveman couldn't do you should be able to negotiate or leave. If you are unprepared to leave then continue bending over. Everything in corporate world is negoitiable. There are no HR limitations or any other BS they throw at you. You simply must market yourself or move on.:cool:
 

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I have been at the same job for 2 years make good $ {I do Finance for honda} it's base + com my base sucks it $2600 a month but my com is about 5k per month so good $, I found out my f&i HPP sales for honda im #1 in the usa and still no rase from my bace so im finding a new job fuck 'em if they don't recognize you !!! I made them 390,000 last year on selling paper {paper is F&I lingo for warranty's} and im still at a shitty base so later!!!
 

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Dude, that was sooo cryptic :rolleyes:

It "sounds" like you might not be assertive enough. You are in a business/corporate setting, do you handle yourself like a winner -- body language, conversation, dress, extra projects and are you quick to take on leadership.

This is not a hard and fast rule, but you know your good (valuable) when your employer pays you as if they're afraid of losing you and the competition is seeking you out.

Did I miss things completely?
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I have been at the same job for 2 years make good $ {I do Finance for honda} it's base + com my base sucks it $2600 a month but my com is about 5k per month so good $, I found out my f&i HPP sales for honda im #1 in the usa and still no rase from my bace so im finding a new job fuck 'em if they don't recognize you !!! I made them 390,000 last year on selling paper {paper is F&I lingo for warranty's} and im still at a shitty base so later!!!
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I work for a top ten fortune 500 company, I think we are top 5 this year. And our management bonus system relies on so much shit to happen that it would make your head spin. A lot of what must happen is above the local managers control so I always joke that the planets have to align for the facility manager to receive a bonus, so needless to say they almost never receive them. In fact I have never seen them get one in the seven years I have been around

What I do personally when I go for a review and feel that I should get more than our companies standard 2-3% per year is make a list of all the tangible and intangible things I have done recently. The intangibles are just that intangible, so they are hard to prove, but I keep a spreadsheet of everything that I personally have to do with and the dollar amounts.

I whip the spreadsheet out ocassionally and beat the shit out of my manager with it. I will show him how much I have personally made our facility in the last year, or whatever time frame suits my objective. I will usually show him how much my revenue generation has increased and by what percent/dollar amount and tell him that I think that I am worth more than the typical bullshit cost of living adjustment.

Our business relies heavily on customer service, so my revenue stream is generally a little higher than my salary, so I can get close to a 1:1 ratio between my salary and the money I directly generate as the majority of my job is customer service, not selling items. We are service based and in my sector I am well known and for some reason well respected. I have been called on multiple ocassions the face for our company as our customers see me a lot more than anyone else in the company. I am not trying to blow my own horn here basically what I am getting at is figure out what makes you so valuable and let them know what it is. Some managers know what an employees strengths are, some do not, and some try and play dumb so they do not have to pay you accordingly. If you let them know that you are a top performer and that you are fully aware of it you should have an easy time of it. If they do not care or you are delusional about your grandeur then it will be time for you to walk when you do not get a raise.

I have recently taken on a lot more responsibility and have already put the bug in my manager's ear that he needs to figure out what new pay group to put me in as there are about 3 of us in the company that have set the upper limit for our job classification, and that I know that I am one of those three and that with my new responsibilites I think I should be reclassed to make a considerable amount more money. our reviews are in August and I had this discussion with him last week, sometimes these things take time and you may need to make subtle hints leading up to your actual assault be it with a spreadsheet or whatever.
 

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Keep it coming guys. This is the kind of info I am looking for!

I have already talked to this person regarding the negociation process and yes, this persons manager is a blocker BIG time. I need pointers on getting around that issue gracefully as well. This person is very professional, dresses the part etc. There is no legitimate reason they have not received a raise.

I have been lucky personally, and not had too much of a blocker manager in my roles. I am extremely assertive as well, and tend to intimidate the average weakling boss.
 

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IMHO, and no Im not really "qualified" to say,,,

but if youre gonna negotiate, you'd better have some leverage...ACE in the hole...

look for another job. Once you get that offer, now you have something to negotiate about!

Good luck!
 

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Find a better paying job and then speak to your boss, if the person is of value, they will match or better it, if they don't match or better it, this person should be prepared to walk as they do not value this person.

If this person can't find a better paying job, be prerpared to admit that that this person is being paid what he is worth.


Don't talk about it with fellow employees period.

I had an employee I would have liked to keep but he made the critical mistake of letting the whole company know that he was going to speak to me about matching this other job offer.

I would have matched it to keep him, but that would have caused me a lot of headache with other employees doing the same.
 

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I hear what you are saying. I've already explained that regardless, this need not be public info. In fact, it is to this persons advantage to keep it very quiet. I've seen in the past where keeping things between you and the boss can be a great advantage.

I really appreciate everyone's advise.
 

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Don't talk about it with fellow employees period.

I had an employee I would have liked to keep but he made the critical mistake of letting the whole company know that he was going to speak to me about matching this other job offer.

I would have matched it to keep him, but that would have caused me a lot of headache with other employees doing the same.
Plus, it would have taken away some of your effectiveness as a leader. You never want to give your subordinates "hand".
 

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Sounds to me that your biggest problem is that you work for a bank. Banks don't pay for beans unless you're upper management, but have 18~20% net profit, which is more even than the oil companies make (6~8%). In other words, you work for people who don't value their help. Find a new job in a related industry or with a competitor. Seek out a head hunter, they have tremendous resources and connections. Any company that doesn't value their employees, is making a good profit, spins away compensation, etc, well you just don't need the grief. I made the mistake of loyalty to an employer who didn't deserve it. There are plenty of opportunities out there. You want a real adventure in the business world? Become self-employed. Kinda like riding everyday!
 

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Sounds to me that your biggest problem is that you work for a bank. Banks don't pay for beans unless you're upper management, but have 18~20% net profit, which is more even than the oil companies make (6~8%). In other words, you work for people who don't value their help. Find a new job in a related industry or with a competitor. Seek out a head hunter, they have tremendous resources and connections. Any company that doesn't value their employees, is making a good profit, spins away compensation, etc, well you just don't need the grief. I made the mistake of loyalty to an employer who didn't deserve it. There are plenty of opportunities out there. You want a real adventure in the business world? Become self-employed. Kinda like riding everyday!

Or you need to stick it out cause you will make big when you move up.

If you can't move up then you should make a move anyway.
 

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renegotiate your classification due to change in responsibities
 
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