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I do believe my Healtech X-TRE arrived today...just gotta go check the mail. So, I will be installing that real soon, and wanted to know (from those of you who have installed one) if there is anything I need to be on the look out for while doing the install...???

I'm Sure it's pretty straight forward and an easy install, and I am mechanically inclined...just wondering if I might run into any speedbumps while doing the install, or if anyone has any suggestions or opinions to offer.

Oh...and while I'm under the hood (so to speak), anything else I should take care of while I'm there...other than the obvious - new air filter...???


Thanks in advance for the comments!

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I'm still confused at what the difference between what the difference between the Gi-pro, X-tre, and Ivans is..Besides $$$.
 

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It's a bitch getting to the plug under the tank...if I remember correctly....or is that the SpeedoHealer...
ive installed both at the same time....JUST TAKE YOUR TIME!!!! oh and remember its so much easier to install if you take off your tank....other the plus hes refering to is pretty easy and straight forward

u might want to remove your flies, 2ndary flies....throttle bodies and see if you notice any more difference....as for i am a scardy cat and cant seem to mustard up the confidence to do it.....
 

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I have the X-Tre and Speedohealer and installed them myself on two different occassions. Just remove the tank and follow the directions. It should only take you about 10-15 minutes to do the install after tank removal. Its real simple and straight forward.
 

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TRE is timing retard eliminator....doesn't have any impact on opening the flies sooner or any impact on fuel....as I understand it....just advances the timing sooner and WOT in the lower gears....
 

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Well..I did get it in the mail today, along with some goodies for my wife's bike...

But the damn thing didn't have any installation directions!? I'm guessing I can go to their website any find them...?

hmmm...

What about the fuel lines when removing the tank...what's the trick used to plug the lines?
 

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Whats up team......just want to add, I have a (IVANS TRE) on my 10. Put it on 2 yrs. ago and it showed in my top end and mid. Also I was told it does opens sec. butterflies sooner. That could explain the heavy top end pull. Or could just be its a 10 so what the f*%k......
 

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Whats up team......just want to add, I have a (IVANS TRE) on my 10. Put it on 2 yrs. ago and it showed in my top end and mid. Also I was told it does opens sec. butterflies sooner. That could explain the heavy top end pull. Or could just be its a 10 so what the f*%k......

With or without opening the secondary flies sooner, by the time you get to the top end your flies are fully open anyway.
 

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A TRE is completely unrelated to RPMS, it functions at partial throttle openings regardless of RPM in gears 1 thru 4. It has zero impact at WOT and other large throttle openings (the timing is only retarded from the factory at partial throttle, so there is nothing to fix at WOT)

IVANS (ZX10) TRE does not use 5th gear, it uses neutral. 5th is the "soft" setting on the XTRE and GIPRO.

IVANS TRE also addresses the flies / eliminates fuel cutoff on decell / and disables KIMS. Not sure if / how the others work in these areas.

IMO a gear indicator is a useless gimmick. If you are using it to make shifting decisions, you shouldn't be on a liter bike. Maybe a scooter would suit you better.

Install tip: Use a small pick (pointed tool) to lift and remove the pins from the plug. An extra set of hands can be a big help, but it can be done alone. TRE and speedohealer use pins from the same plug. Might as well install both at the same time.
 

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A TRE is completely unrelated to RPMS, it functions at partial throttle openings regardless of RPM in gears 1 thru 4. It has zero impact at WOT and other large throttle openings (the timing is only retarded from the factory at partial throttle, so there is nothing to fix at WOT)

IVANS (ZX10) TRE does not use 5th gear, it uses neutral. 5th is the "soft" setting on the XTRE and GIPRO.

IVANS TRE also addresses the flies / eliminates fuel cutoff on decell / and disables KIMS. Not sure if / how the others work in these areas.

IMO a gear indicator is a useless gimmick. If you are using it to make shifting decisions, you shouldn't be on a liter bike. Maybe a scooter would suit you better.

Install tip: Use a small pick (pointed tool) to lift and remove the pins from the plug. An extra set of hands can be a big help, but it can be done alone. TRE and speedohealer use pins from the same plug. Might as well install both at the same time.
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...amazing how much info on the net is wrong.
 

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A TRE is completely unrelated to RPMS, it functions at partial throttle openings regardless of RPM in gears 1 thru 4. It has zero impact at WOT and other large throttle openings (the timing is only retarded from the factory at partial throttle, so there is nothing to fix at WOT)

IVANS (ZX10) TRE does not use 5th gear, it uses neutral. 5th is the "soft" setting on the XTRE and GIPRO.

IVANS TRE also addresses the flies / eliminates fuel cutoff on decell / and disables KIMS. Not sure if / how the others work in these areas.

IMO a gear indicator is a useless gimmick. If you are using it to make shifting decisions, you shouldn't be on a liter bike. Maybe a scooter would suit you better.

Install tip: Use a small pick (pointed tool) to lift and remove the pins from the plug. An extra set of hands can be a big help, but it can be done alone. TRE and speedohealer use pins from the same plug. Might as well install both at the same time.
not being funny,but you've never gone for 7th gear (not even once?).:lol:
 

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not being funny,but you've never gone for 7th gear (not even once?).:lol:
Nope never.

I can't remember the last time I was in 6th gear. I would guess sometime in the first few weeks of ownership (the first few hundred miles) during breakend.

Few tracks allow more than fourth gear, which is good to 150+. Road Atlanta being the only exception I have been on and I only needed fifth then. Regardless, all shift points on the track are done at the same point each and every lap.

On the street, I spend 95%+ in either 2nd or 3rd. If their is a long straight, I might shift up to 4th. I never use 5th or 6th on the street.

I'll never understand why people buy a race bike and ride it around like a little old lady. Twist that throttle and have some fun.
 

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not being funny,but you've never gone for 7th gear (not even once?).:lol:
Some of the posters don't do the normal riding that 90% of us do. They are either track only guys or ride on Sunday only...good for them. :rolleyes:

When I created a gear indicator that actually works for my 1st Gen I was amazed of all the uses.

1. No more 7th Gear Checks on the Hwy.
2. Because the Gear Ratios are so close I can now make better choices on the fly(less than a second) when confronted out of the blue for a race not planed and realize I am in the wrong gear.
3. I can see clearly based on my gear indicator when drag racing what gear I finished in...no I don't count what gear for you skeptics I am busy racing. :rolleyes: I always ask many Drag racers what gear where you in at the finish and many take a pause because they were not sure at first but I am always sure.:badteeth:
4. When my clutch cable broke out on the hwy I needed my gear indicator to help me when the clutch was stuck and what gear... I was actually into making decisions fast with cars around on a death Hwy 2 lane what needed to be done. I drove 20miles home around many stop signs and lights with no clutch cable but always knew what gear I was in to manipulate the trek home as safe as can be with knowledge and indicators.

Gear Indicators don't cost much for those that say it's useless maybe you should try one that actually works before you knock it. :wink::idea:
 

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Well then why after installing IVAN's TRE on my 08, did the factory gear position indicator always read 5? :dontknow:
because that is for 1st Gen only.....I have no info on what it does for the other Gens...:headshake
 

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Agreed, but look at his entire sentence structure,

"IVANS (ZX10) TRE does not use 5th gear, it uses neutral. 5th is the "soft" setting on the XTRE"


Why would anyone EVER use an X-TRE on a first gen? The X-TRE is to keep the 08/09 GI working properly. It seems to me he is talking 3rd Gen, not first.
Agree...Don't know why anyone would use X-TRE on a 1st Gen...It has been proved the only way to stop the on and off Throttle abruptness on a stock 1st gen is to FOOL the ECU that it is in Neutral gear for the mapping but Ivan suggests adjusting the sub-throttle sensor and Mapping. I know when drag racing I never turn on my home made TRE switch it doesn't help one bit when WOT. :headshake

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A question for you blue, I have an 06 with the flies out and am contemplating a TRE and would like a GI, whats the best option, Ivans TRE or GIproATRE
 

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I agree that no one needs a gear indicator, but it's just nice to have.

On a literbike, I would argue that it's even MORE a nice-to-have because when I was on my ZX-6 it was simple to tell what gear you were in from the sound, and the fact that if you were in the wrong gear, you wouldn't go anywhere :) but on a literbike you can take off from a standing start in 2nd and 4th 5th and 6th on the freeway all feel strong and appropriate to some degree.

On the track you always know what gear you're in because it's relatively the same every lap (compared to street riding) and you have you shift and braking points essetially mapped out for low lap times. On the street, people cut you off, traffic accels and decells unexpectedly, highway patrol pulls up behind you etc etc. There are more distractions that work to make it easier to lose track what gear you're in.

You don't use speedometers on the track, but that doesn't mean they aren't useful on the street :) and if being on a literbike means you shouldn't needa GI, why is the biggest readout on MotoGP and WSBK bikes a Gear indicator? :)
 
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