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Hello guys!

I have a 2016 zx10r and I just purchased the full akrapovic exhaust from rev zilla, along with a power commander.

The only issue I see is all the maps on the power commander site seem to say European model next to the one that says (full akra exhaust)

I have done a bunch of searching but just come up with it has to do with gas and having a leaner tune.... I called power commander but the guy that answered didn't seem to be very knowledgeable on what the difference was and if its okay.

Can someone with better knowledge fill me in?

I really appreciate it! :hello:
 

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where are you located?

it's usually best to go to a dyno tuner and have them build a custom map for your bike. the power commander maps are there can be too...varied, to be considered safe to use
 

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Fully agree with Naked!dont be to hasty with generic maps on fuel controllers websites!if you post up what area your located someone on the forum will point you towards a reputable Dyno tuner and that way there is no second guessing in your head the question "if"this map is ok!
 

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Okay awesome! I live about 20 minutes from fort worth texas!

Does the dyno shop need a power commander to tune kinda like cobb to a car, or should I cancel that part of the order?

it does say on rev zilla you don't necessarily need to tune it with new headers but it is recommended so theoretically I suppose I could be easy and drive it to the shop with them installed

Thanks again!
 

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Here's a quick breakdown for you. yes, you need it tuned. even bone stock. the fueling is off from factory due to epa crap in america. Sadly, on your bike, there is a lot of software restrictions that only fuel tuning cannot fix.

the other answer is yes and no, a dyno shop will need a power commander to tune your bike. unless they can flash the ecu, in which case they don't.

If you can, look for an ecu tuner in dallas who uses woolich racing or ftecu. an ecu flash tunes your bike to its fullest potential, fixing issues in the bike that fueling can't fix because there are software restrictions in your bike from the factory.

If you can't find a local dyno tuner for this, you can purchase the equipment yourself and flash the ecu if you are a DIY'er

Your other options is to mail it to a dyno tuner who provides mail in ecu flashing services. i recommend 2 wheel dynoworks. http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/f23/2-wheel-dynoworks-ecu-flash-306489.html

with an ecu flash, you would not need a power commander and can sell it or return it to revzilla. the tuners with mail in flashes should have exhaust specific ecu flashes. the list of things a tuned ecu flash changes is very long and there's a lot of threads posted about it.

i know the last thing you want to do is buy an ecu flash for ~$300 but returning the pc5 should offset that cost and it will get you a better performing motorcycle
 

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Well, there's actually a lot you're going to have to do in order to use a Power Commander (which is essentially obsolete in these days of ECU flashes).

Since the PC only controls fuel, the Euro maps should be fine to use. But that doesn't necessarily mean they will be good maps. As most of them downloaded from DynoJet's website basically suck, I wouldn't count on it being of much help. And the Euro maps will be predicated on the way the Euro ETV maps work, which should be different than the US ones.

To use the PC properly, you're going to have to disable the stock O2 sensor to make that work or you're ECU will be fighting the PC to make proper adjustments.

The best way to tune the bike is to reflash the ECU with the proper fueling changes made to your specific bike by a tuner. Skip the Power Commander all together. Get it mapped properly and there's some serious gains to be had. The pipe and Power Commander can't correct for the ECU restrictions, so in order to get the most from it, you'd have to reflash it anyway.
 

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Holy hell! Thank you guys so much! I am calling woolich right now and cancelling the power commander! That's why I love these forums you guys get it straightened away immediately!
 

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do you guys reccomend the

2016-2017 Kawasaki ZX10R
USB M v3 Package

or

2016-2017 ZX10R
Log Box (Mitsubishi)
+ Zeitronix ZT-3 Wideband Package

not sure what would be more bang for my buck down the road!
 

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do you guys reccomend the

2016-2017 Kawasaki ZX10R
USB M v3 Package

or

2016-2017 ZX10R
Log Box (Mitsubishi)
+ Zeitronix ZT-3 Wideband Package

not sure what would be more bang for my buck down the road!
Down the road, the Logbox will be the better purchase. This will allow you to data capture and tune the bike yourself pretty easily.
 

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Well, there's actually a lot you're going to have to do in order to use a Power Commander (which is essentially obsolete in these days of ECU flashes).

Since the PC only controls fuel, the Euro maps should be fine to use. But that doesn't necessarily mean they will be good maps. As most of them downloaded from DynoJet's website basically suck, I wouldn't count on it being of much help. And the Euro maps will be predicated on the way the Euro ETV maps work, which should be different than the US ones.

To use the PC properly, you're going to have to disable the stock O2 sensor to make that work or you're ECU will be fighting the PC to make proper adjustments.

The best way to tune the bike is to reflash the ECU with the proper fueling changes made to your specific bike by a tuner. Skip the Power Commander all together. Get it mapped properly and there's some serious gains to be had. The pipe and Power Commander can't correct for the ECU restrictions, so in order to get the most from it, you'd have to reflash it anyway.
+1 on the woolich logbox package. If you're anyway tech savy, the package allows you to set your ideal AFR and the software will auto tune the fuel and input tables to meet your parameters. For example, if you're running lean at 60% throttle input & 8k revs, you can command the software to increase the fuel table by 10%, 20% or whatever you decide. It is so much more superior to the power commander in every way. The freedom to change what you want, when you want without paying for dyno time is a game changer.

Although dyno tuning allows you to quickly tune the bike in all throttle positions, revs and gears, it doesnt account for the extra dense ram air. The woolich kit logs the afr while you're riding in the real world including ram air and other environmental variables (altitude, humidity, etc) that you dont get on the dyno.

The only negative I see with the woolich kit is learning how to use it. But like everything else, its much more rewarding when it can be done in your garage.
 

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Thank you! I ordered it yesterday and it will be here tomorrow! Talk about a fast turn around. Out of curiosity does anyone know if the wideband o2 sensor will fit in the full akrapovic exhaust for these bikes? I would imagine no but didn't know if the kit comes with a adapter. Hopefully I don't have to weld the hung that comes with the kit on but if I do so be it. Thanks again guys!
 

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Thank you! I ordered it yesterday and it will be here tomorrow! Talk about a fast turn around. Out of curiosity does anyone know if the wideband o2 sensor will fit in the full akrapovic exhaust for these bikes? I would imagine no but didn't know if the kit comes with a adapter. Hopefully I don't have to weld the hung that comes with the kit on but if I do so be it. Thanks again guys!
I'm not sure if the akras come with a bung or not. If it does, it should be right near the collector.
 

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If I was computer confident and actually had a laptop to be able to use the Woolich software I would purchase the Woolich kit with the autotune now!for 1 I would have to purchase the lap top then the kit and somehow adjust my 56yo brain to understand how to make it all work!I really haven't got the confidence to take this path and does make me feel a little down sometimes,I do no without a doubt there is members on here that would help but the Pacific is a long swim and trying to keep a laptop dry would be a pia
 

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Awesome!

Thank you guys, i am fixing to check out that review! My exhaust will be here tomorrow so i am pretty stoaked to put that on.

i just love these bikes, they are alot of fun.... ive only had a couple zx6r's so the liter bike is a new thing for me.

hey once i get it figured out i would come to Australia to help you but i don't think i could get my wife to leave.....
 

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Got a nice big house jared355 and 2 spare bedrooms mate and both of you would luv it here!20 acres in the country neighbors are far enough so its private but close enough to ask for help!its Summer atm but we are having some great days that range from 25c to 35c on average so far!had a couple of 38c but it's been very mild so far!you can ride all year round here but Spring and Autumn are just perfect!Australia isn't that far off the U.S.A as far as land size goes but our population is around 25million and I think the States is around 250million(I'm not sure really)so a lot of open spaces 40 kilometres Drive from any of our major cities!but with isolation comes its downsides also and we have our fair share problems also!
 

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That's sounds super nice man! What's funny is it's on our bucket list to go to but I had a friend that went back in high school and he said they tell you if the damn thing is brown... don't touch it, do not only can the kangaroos box good but everything wants to kill you.
 
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