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Hey guys, basically as the title states I'm just looking to figure out what/how/where to tune. I literally just want the bike to be safe with some new parts I just grabbed and I'd like to check out the auto blip but it's not a deal breaker if it's not included. Basically, I don't know shit about actually tuning the bike myself so I'm thinking a actual Dyno tune is the way to go? It could be Overkill? I live in Utica NY and am willing to travel 3-4 hours for a reputable tuner. Options I've seen were Woolrich ecu flash, the Woolrich tuning kit I think where you plug into laptop I think? Schnitzel, guhl and the power commander. I just want safe and reliable.

Mod list:
M4 3/4 slip on
M4 cat delete pipe
Driven block off plates
Bmc air filter
16t up front
I also bought a healtech pair system elimination and I have a servo buddy(as added security for engine light)

Thanks in advance I've searched and can't really find a relative answer
 

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Would I be better off with the Woolrich v3 or the v3 logbox when I don't really know what I'm doing?
^ Cant answer you on that because i have just a bench tune but i strongly advise locating a tuner that uses woolich and have them dyno tune. Mail in bench tunes work fine but probably leaving a few ponys without fine tuning. I dont now of any tuners around that area but some facebook and google searches might point you in the right direction.
 

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Op its all kind of people offering mail in flash options if you dont feel comfortable doing it which probly be your best bet.

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EDR Performance in Oregon. Mail in your ECU, get it back in a day. Get an Autotune module. Bam one and done,

You cant do a custom dyno tune without a piggyback.
 

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EDR Performance in Oregon. Mail in your ECU, get it back in a day. Get an Autotune module. Bam one and done,

You cant do a custom dyno tune without a piggyback.
Do they sell a auto tune or is there one that is highly recommended? Sorry tuning cars and bikes are soooo different. Lol I'm still trying to get out of lingo down compared to what it is in car world.
 

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You cant do a custom dyno tune without a piggyback.
Wrong. Wrong in many regards.

Also, piggybacks cannot accurately adjust the low-medium throttle and the off throttle fueling where the ECU is switching to two references as opposed to just throttle. Long story short, a piggyback can only accurately tune at over 10% throttle input. Anything less and the fuel references change internally inside of the ECU and are constantly fluctuating and will not always be the same. So if you're at say 8% throttle and 3000 RPMs; that reference point used by the ECU will not always be the same meaning while at some points in time, the values input into a piggyback will be on, most of the time they will not as either manifold or ambient pressures are changing constantly on the fly and BOTH of those determine what the fueling is doing off throttle and up to 10% throttle. The only way to accurately tune that range is to edit those reference cells specifically - which a piggyback cannot do.


OP; If you don't know what you're doing but want to have the option to tune it yourself, I advise getting the Log Box as it will see what the exact AFR is and retune it for you. It is pretty much idiot proof and there are a lot of downloadable maps for you to play with, change, retune or mess with in developing your own mapping.

If you don't want to do it yourself or are afraid of it, I advise bringing it in and having it tuned through the ECU for you by a tuning shop if you need suggestions, open a ticket up on the Woolich Racing website (Woolich Racing Support Ticket System) along with your ZIP code and they can make suggestions.

If you feel comfortable sending out your ECU, send it to Nels @ 2 Wheel Dynoworks (https://2wheeldynoworks.com/) and they will flash the ignition, ETV tables and other changes along with enabling auto blip for you and send it back. It won't be a 100% dialed in custom tune, but if you check their changes on the dyno and you and your tuner feel there is more to be had, then you can fit a piggyback and retune; just remember that a piggyback will only accurately tune at 10% or more throttle input.
Thank you Soo much. Lol unfortunately, this was how most tuning inquiry threads I've seen so far have been.
 

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One more question that slipped through the cracks that I forgot was, I don't have any seat time with the block off plates and Link pipe and air filter. Should I start the bike and run it for a little bit before I send out the ecu? I live in New York and it's currently in my living room so riding it's kind of out of the options for me
 

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You send the ECU in and in the work order list all the mods you're planning to use. They have to take these into account when they figure out which flash to give you. 2wheeldynoworks has lots of combinations that they've developed maps for, for example.
 

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You send the ECU in and in the work order list all the mods you're planning to use. They have to take these into account when they figure out which flash to give you. 2wheeldynoworks has lots of combinations that they've developed maps for, for example.
Thank you again. I wasn't sure if I had to do a couple pulls to login the air-fuel values
 

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Zx10rArcher, so will the log box allow for tuning the etv as well as afr numbers? Tps as well? I'm only familiar with bazazz and it's very simple compared to woolich.
 

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Zx10rArcher, so will the log box allow for tuning the etv as well as afr numbers? Tps as well? I'm only familiar with bazazz and it's very simple compared to woolich.
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Zx10rArcher, so will the log box allow for tuning the etv as well as afr numbers? Tps as well? I'm only familiar with bazazz and it's very simple compared to woolich.
log box / autotune only works for fuel tables. does not adjust ETV or TPS or even timing. And you have to configure the AFR settings to match your header and sensor.
 

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If you are looking for every ounce of HP buy a full woolich kit, if you are looking for a good tune, send it to a mal in flash to a good tuner.

Ride the bike and enjoy....

I flash all the kawas here in DR, when we go to the dyno they are all close with each other in fuel and in power.

most people just send me the ECU and call me happy.....
 

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log box / autotune only works for fuel tables. does not adjust ETV or TPS or even timing. And you have to configure the AFR settings to match your header and sensor.[/QUOTE] what do you mean exactly? Like configure for the stock header and the wideband o2 I got from woolich?
 
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