can an admin please add the prefix "gen 2" as i forgot to do it when posting the thread? thanks!
Must have parts for 2nd gen zx10r (06-07) strictly track/race use
hey all,
picking up a 2nd gen zx10r to add to my 600. Been looking for a second bike and this one popped up.
From what I've read up these bikes are heavier & obviously more powerful than the 600's but I'm curious how it'll fair at the track in terms of holding a line, weight, flickability, etc.
what are some key parts that help the 2nd gen at the track?
bike has most items from suspension (can't recall if the front has cartridges, brakes, even wheels but would a tank replacement (composite cant remember the one I saw), yoyodyne subframe, attack triples help this bike any further?
how many peeps track their 2nd gen and what are your experiences/feedback ?
picking up a 2nd gen zx10r to add to my 600. Been looking for a second bike and this one popped up.
From what I've read up these bikes are heavier & obviously more powerful than the 600's but I'm curious how it'll fair at the track in terms of holding a line, weight, flickability, etc.
what are some key parts that help the 2nd gen at the track?
bike has most items from suspension (can't recall if the front has cartridges, brakes, even wheels but would a tank replacement (composite cant remember the one I saw), yoyodyne subframe, attack triples help this bike any further?
how many peeps track their 2nd gen and what are your experiences/feedback ?
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Well, I didn't track mine when I owned it and never had any go-fast parts so I won't be of much help.
It's a great bike that 'ole Gen 2, and it'll make for a nice trackday steed. But for racing, it never was one for the record books. The Gen 1, 2, and 3 chassis all had the same cantilever design and all suffered from too much flex when pushed hard. This makes setting it up extremely touchy.
The first thing you need to do is fix the front brakes. Beyond that it will depend on what you're goal is and what problems it currently has in the handling department. There is no one set-it-and-forget-it numbers on it.
It's a great bike that 'ole Gen 2, and it'll make for a nice trackday steed. But for racing, it never was one for the record books. The Gen 1, 2, and 3 chassis all had the same cantilever design and all suffered from too much flex when pushed hard. This makes setting it up extremely touchy.
The first thing you need to do is fix the front brakes. Beyond that it will depend on what you're goal is and what problems it currently has in the handling department. There is no one set-it-and-forget-it numbers on it.
I wouldn't recommend spending too much $$$ on it. Just got rid of my 2nd Gen earlier this year. It was used track-only for about the past five.
That said, the brakes are the first thing that need fixed. Get calipers from a ZX6 or 14, along with stainless lines and pads, and fresh fluid.
A good set of rearsets helps a lot - I prefer Woodcraft, they're not expensive and work well. Stomp grip pads or similar for the tank will also make things easier.
An ECU flash will help with top end power. You won't have any problems outrunning 600s in stock form though.
Having the suspension serviced and set up for your weight by somebody who knows what they are doing definitely helps. No need to get crazy though.
Finally, hit the gym. Riding one at speed is downright exhausting, especially compared to a 600 or something newer, so you'll need to get in shape. Honestly this should be #2 after brakes for most important.
That said, the brakes are the first thing that need fixed. Get calipers from a ZX6 or 14, along with stainless lines and pads, and fresh fluid.
A good set of rearsets helps a lot - I prefer Woodcraft, they're not expensive and work well. Stomp grip pads or similar for the tank will also make things easier.
An ECU flash will help with top end power. You won't have any problems outrunning 600s in stock form though.
Having the suspension serviced and set up for your weight by somebody who knows what they are doing definitely helps. No need to get crazy though.
Finally, hit the gym. Riding one at speed is downright exhausting, especially compared to a 600 or something newer, so you'll need to get in shape. Honestly this should be #2 after brakes for most important.
appreciate the feedback!
I heard the brakes weren't so great ... I actually have a second pair of monoblock calipers that come off a cbr600rr 09+ or cbr1000rr 08+....I think read somewhere they these can work but I heard something about needing spacers?) Can't recall if there is an upgraded master but if not I can switch one out for a RCS 19 x 18/20 Brembo.
prplppleatr239- What did you upgrade to? can you comment on how it is compared to a modern 600?
- thats what I was thinking. Put the extra money aside for tires since its going to put more power down than what I'm use to.
- I think its sprung for 170-180 which is the weight category I'm in. +1 to being physically in shape. I couldn't imagine racing or tracking and not trying to stay in shape to do it.
Is the sheer speed & weight of the bike (ie throwing it around) make it tiring?
do many people mod or have this bike? I'm curious in the event I need spare parts are they abundant?
I heard the brakes weren't so great ... I actually have a second pair of monoblock calipers that come off a cbr600rr 09+ or cbr1000rr 08+....I think read somewhere they these can work but I heard something about needing spacers?) Can't recall if there is an upgraded master but if not I can switch one out for a RCS 19 x 18/20 Brembo.
prplppleatr239- What did you upgrade to? can you comment on how it is compared to a modern 600?
- thats what I was thinking. Put the extra money aside for tires since its going to put more power down than what I'm use to.
- I think its sprung for 170-180 which is the weight category I'm in. +1 to being physically in shape. I couldn't imagine racing or tracking and not trying to stay in shape to do it.
Is the sheer speed & weight of the bike (ie throwing it around) make it tiring?
do many people mod or have this bike? I'm curious in the event I need spare parts are they abundant?
There are several extensive threads here on brakes, check one of them for more info. Not sure if the calipers you have will work or not. Getting rid of the stock calipers and rubber lines is definitely a bigger priority than the master though. Don't forget good pads and fluid either.
Pretty much every part of riding my ZX10 was difficult and tiring. It was reluctant to change direction, and you had to constantly fight with it to do anything - from muscling into turns to managing the throttle on corner exits to prevent wheelies or spinning. I've test ridden a new, stock R6 for a few laps, and by comparison it was much easier to turn, but the engine had no low to mid range power.
Realistically you will not encounter many others tracking 2nd Gens, so you'll need to plan to be on your own for spares. The only exception is common parts for things like aftermarket rearsets, or parts shared with a ZX6. The nice thing is that the bike in general is extremely reliable, the only stuff I ever put into mine was tires, brakes, and fluids. Staying up on maintenance and not crashing is your best option.
Personally I upgraded to a new RSV4 - Comparing the two is unfair.
Pretty much every part of riding my ZX10 was difficult and tiring. It was reluctant to change direction, and you had to constantly fight with it to do anything - from muscling into turns to managing the throttle on corner exits to prevent wheelies or spinning. I've test ridden a new, stock R6 for a few laps, and by comparison it was much easier to turn, but the engine had no low to mid range power.
Realistically you will not encounter many others tracking 2nd Gens, so you'll need to plan to be on your own for spares. The only exception is common parts for things like aftermarket rearsets, or parts shared with a ZX6. The nice thing is that the bike in general is extremely reliable, the only stuff I ever put into mine was tires, brakes, and fluids. Staying up on maintenance and not crashing is your best option.
Personally I upgraded to a new RSV4 - Comparing the two is unfair.
I don't race, but I try to get in 8-10 track days a year.
Great way to relax on a weekend!
The Gen2 fit my budget (and tolerance for possibly complete loss)
when I picked it up a couple of years ago and has done everything
I've asked it to. I have no need for current upgrade, bike can handle
way more then I can throw at it.
Pretty much agree with the above additions and would add....
Need Stuff! Ask Mike at Riderdiscount!
Here's a link to some Vortex rearsets (you won't find better price on rearsets)
http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/f105/epic-deal-vortex-rearsets-06-15-zx-10r-196281.html
Send stock damper to Kyle for re-valving
-1 on counter shaft sprocket and possibly +2 rear sprocket
Flash ECU or TRE (Ivan's) to get rid of the nasty fuel cut off on decel.
Rifflemans or Motion Pro Rev2 Throttle kit
You can take a look a refreshing checking spring rates on
the stock suspension.
Front spring weight was fine for me. Rear spring rate needed beefing up
and while at could have shock refurbed/tested.
Have my rear being rebuilt/tested right now.
I'm trying to keep the monies down on this weekend toy.(I'm cheap) but
not the only bike I have either.
As is I figure a trackday costs me roughly $400 per trackday, not counting any major upgrades or equipment.
Great way to relax on a weekend!
The Gen2 fit my budget (and tolerance for possibly complete loss)
when I picked it up a couple of years ago and has done everything
I've asked it to. I have no need for current upgrade, bike can handle
way more then I can throw at it.
Pretty much agree with the above additions and would add....
Need Stuff! Ask Mike at Riderdiscount!
Here's a link to some Vortex rearsets (you won't find better price on rearsets)
http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/f105/epic-deal-vortex-rearsets-06-15-zx-10r-196281.html
Send stock damper to Kyle for re-valving
-1 on counter shaft sprocket and possibly +2 rear sprocket
Flash ECU or TRE (Ivan's) to get rid of the nasty fuel cut off on decel.
Rifflemans or Motion Pro Rev2 Throttle kit
You can take a look a refreshing checking spring rates on
the stock suspension.
Front spring weight was fine for me. Rear spring rate needed beefing up
and while at could have shock refurbed/tested.
Have my rear being rebuilt/tested right now.
I'm trying to keep the monies down on this weekend toy.(I'm cheap) but
not the only bike I have either.
As is I figure a trackday costs me roughly $400 per trackday, not counting any major upgrades or equipment.
I only track a few times a year and love it. Do feel steering is hard work but I put that down to rider error and/or setup.
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I don't, but maybe I just don't have anything to compare it to.I only track a few times a year and love it. Do feel steering is hard work but I put that down to rider error and/or setup.
My other ride is a zx14... now that to me is a little harder to work but still
handles surprising well.
MY first trackday on my Gen2 wore me the fuck out lol.
Definitely make sure you are in shape a little if you plan on tracking your Gen2. Then again I do only weigh like 150 lbs soaking wet lol so I was probably fighting the weight of this beast.
Definitely make sure you are in shape a little if you plan on tracking your Gen2. Then again I do only weigh like 150 lbs soaking wet lol so I was probably fighting the weight of this beast.
Does the TRE disable gear indicator? I read somewhere that it does?I don't race, but I try to get in 8-10 track days a year.
Great way to relax on a weekend!
The Gen2 fit my budget (and tolerance for possibly complete loss)
when I picked it up a couple of years ago and has done everything
I've asked it to. I have no need for current upgrade, bike can handle
way more then I can throw at it.
Pretty much agree with the above additions and would add....
Need Stuff! Ask Mike at Riderdiscount!
Here's a link to some Vortex rearsets (you won't find better price on rearsets)
http://www.zx-10r.net/forum/f105/epic-deal-vortex-rearsets-06-15-zx-10r-196281.html
Send stock damper to Kyle for re-valving
-1 on counter shaft sprocket and possibly +2 rear sprocket
Flash ECU or TRE (Ivan's) to get rid of the nasty fuel cut off on decel.
Rifflemans or Motion Pro Rev2 Throttle kit
You can take a look a refreshing checking spring rates on
the stock suspension.
Front spring weight was fine for me. Rear spring rate needed beefing up
and while at could have shock refurbed/tested.
Have my rear being rebuilt/tested right now.
I'm trying to keep the monies down on this weekend toy.(I'm cheap) but
not the only bike I have either.
As is I figure a trackday costs me roughly $400 per trackday, not counting any major upgrades or equipment.
No gear indicator on Gen2.Does the TRE disable gear indicator? I read somewhere that it does?
I believe in principle it would mess it up. Others may better explain.
But the TRE fools the ECU into thinking it is in either neutral or 6th? gear.
Which timing and fuel cut are different then lower gears.
So... yes, if had a gear indicator it would be wrong.
(I believe that's how it works)
The fuel cut is really nasty to the point you're almost afraid to roll
the throttle on while leaned over. At least for me it was.
Flashing ECU probably take care of it as well.
I have a GEN 2 ATTACK Solo race tail and 1 piece front fender, fiberglass, if interested.
Black primered, ready for final prep/paint.
Cheap, shipped to your door.
Thanks,
Tech10R
Here is my ad in classifieds:
GEN 2 Race plastics
Black primered, ready for final prep/paint.
Cheap, shipped to your door.
Thanks,
Tech10R
Here is my ad in classifieds:
GEN 2 Race plastics
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