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Students part of the protest put the mexican flag above an upside down American flag at their school...This is how these folks really feel about America...Thanks to Bush it'll get worse because he thinks it's a great idea to to erase the borders between the U.S. and Mexico with his signing of the SPP document without notifying congress on executive order...Click the link read and scroll down for the pics.


http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/montebello-flag.htm
 

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gosh... the site's name is "truth of fiction" and the article is under "rumors".

I love all these web sites. I'm going to make a web site and put allll kinds of shit up on it and see how many doom and gloom sheep I can attract.

As for the flag thing... It enrages me, BUT, it is not illegal and is protected under the costitution. Doesn't make it right, but how can you blaim a groups protest on Bush??
 

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Speaking from experience here in Phoenix. Almost all of the protests by the mexicans were flying american flags. At first they were flying the mexican flag and then were urged to switch to the american. All of this immigration stuff is nonsense. If they wanted to fix it they would. There is too much money involved to stop it. I have had my job threatend by illegals because they couldn't speak english and would have a hard time finding a job somewhere else. I agree that it is breaking a law being here illegally. BUT,,we invited them,,we told them we have a job for them,,,welfare for them...and as soon as the kids are born,,,automatic citezenship for the kid.. and THEN we tell them,,,,you are breaking the law...A bit of hypocrisy huh??? If they wanted to end illegal immigration,,,they would take away what they come here to get.....jobs,welfare,citezenship for kids, and for god's sake go after some of the people hiring them,,,,,they are breaking the law as well....but how many employers are led away in handcuffs?? ZERO
 

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gosh... the site's name is "truth of fiction" and the article is under "rumors".

I love all these web sites. I'm going to make a web site and put allll kinds of shit up on it and see how many doom and gloom sheep I can attract.

As for the flag thing... It enrages me, BUT, it is not illegal and is protected under the costitution. Doesn't make it right, but how can you blaim a groups protest on Bush??
It's not the only website that has it but one of many...Doesn't matter it's still true that it happened....Apparantly you did not look close enough...It's fact or Fiction..It gave the rumor, then gave the truth....The "rumor" was true...Try reading more carefully.


Putting a Mexicn flag over the Americn to protest Bush ? Sure protest Bush but there are other ways to do that...That's not a Bush protest but an anti American protest by illegals.
 

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anyone know anything about this???


Most provocative is the contractor to whom this no-bid contract was handed: ChoicePoint Inc. of Alpharetta, Georgia. ChoicePoint is the database company that created a list for Governor Jeb Bush of Florida of voters to scrub from voter rolls before the 2000 election. ChoicePoint's list (94,000 names in all) contained few felons. Most of those on the list were guilty of no crime except Voting While Black. The disenfranchisement of these voters cost Al Gore the presidency. Having chosen our President for us, our President's men chose ChoicePoint for this sweet War on Terror database gathering. The use of the Venezuela's and Mexico's voter registry files to fight terror is not visible - but the use of the lists to manipulate elections is as obvious as the make-up on Katherine Harris' cheeks.



yeah yeah one of those conspiracy sites and all...but still... it was written before that...btw never grabbed something off another site hope it workd...anyone heard of choicepoint???one more :beer:
 

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SANDS...I AM TELLING YOU THIS AGAIN.....IN CAPS SO MAYBE YOU WILL SEE IT......THANK CLINTON FOR ERASING THE BORDER BETWEEN THE US, CANADA, and MEXICO......

I think I have said this about 5 times now, but you guys (Bush haters, Conspiracy types) don't want to hear it. You want to blame Bush.

Funny how until this, I have not heard ANYTHING of the national ID....

Coulnd't care less if there is one. Coulnd't care less if they start going neighborhood to neighborhood looking for illegals. Why? Cause I have nothing to hide. If you have nothing to hide, why should you care. These things would not directly affect you. The only thing it DOES do is give you somethings else to rant and rave about becuase you don't like the War.

This stuff is getting old. We get the fact that you guys don't agree with Bush and his politics. But going to some hack site to dig up shit is second league at best. YOu don't like your local goverment or national government? Get out and get people registered to vote, get them to vote for you or for candidates you approve of and think will do the best job......
 

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Speaking from experience here in Phoenix. Almost all of the protests by the mexicans were flying american flags. At first they were flying the mexican flag and then were urged to switch to the american. All of this immigration stuff is nonsense. If they wanted to fix it they would. There is too much money involved to stop it. I have had my job threatend by illegals because they couldn't speak english and would have a hard time finding a job somewhere else. I agree that it is breaking a law being here illegally. BUT,,we invited them,,we told them we have a job for them,,,welfare for them...and as soon as the kids are born,,,automatic citezenship for the kid.. and THEN we tell them,,,,you are breaking the law...A bit of hypocrisy huh??? If they wanted to end illegal immigration,,,they would take away what they come here to get.....jobs,welfare,citezenship for kids, and for god's sake go after some of the people hiring them,,,,,they are breaking the law as well....but how many employers are led away in handcuffs?? ZERO


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A few (and I mean a FEW) employers have been arrested. My opinion mostly for show. Our leaders, this includes the Clinton's, have to take the blame for enabling the situation. The complete blame has to be laid on the citizens of the US for not demanding that something be done to stop this situation from continuing. Most people in the US only get interested in the workings of their government once every four years. People, we have let the (Vicente) Fox into the chicken coup.
 

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Solve the immigration problem.... Easy, NO ONE gets a job without a social security number that can/is verified. If you cannot prove that you are paying into the system, then you can't be hired. Verified with the SSA, not just look at the card. Arrest and jail employers, fine them large fines, so large on the second offense that it would bankrupt most businesses. Hugh corporations, board of directors, not exempt. If you want to lead and have the benefits, take the responsiblities, don't pass the blame to the HR Director. Stop all benefits except EMERGENCY medical. Downloading a kid in not an emergency, you knew it was coming. And if you insist on coming here to make the kid a US citizen, well think again. Here's your kid and a ticket home, bye. Oh, and here's one that should be easy to enforce, since illegal immigration is ILLEGAL, those who give aid should be arrested too. Class C, probation first offense, continue to do so, move the bar up till you have jail time and a record.
 

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Solve the immigration problem.... Easy, NO ONE gets a job without a social security number that can/is verified. If you cannot prove that you are paying into the system, then you can't be hired. Verified with the SSA, not just look at the card. Arrest and jail employers, fine them large fines, so large on the second offense that it would bankrupt most businesses. Hugh corporations, board of directors, not exempt. If you want to lead and have the benefits, take the responsiblities, don't pass the blame to the HR Director. Stop all benefits except EMERGENCY medical. Downloading a kid in not an emergency, you knew it was coming. And if you insist on coming here to make the kid a US citizen, well think again. Here's your kid and a ticket home, bye. Oh, and here's one that should be easy to enforce, since illegal immigration is ILLEGAL, those who give aid should be arrested too. Class C, probation first offense, continue to do so, move the bar up till you have jail time and a record.
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No respect for the red.white and blue. If they hate our country then they should just leave.

Seems a lot of folks, even in the US, think CA, AZ, TX, CO, NM are just the northern states of MX.
 

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Thanks to Bush it'll get worse because he thinks it's a great idea to to erase the borders between the U.S. and Mexico with his signing of the SPP document without notifying congress on executive order

I will try and conserve my breath here and just quote myself.

Larry Grogan said:
The powers of the Executive are: veto power over all bills; appointment of judges and other officials; make treaties. Afterwards the treaty must be approved by the legislative branch

Treaty=a written agreement between two states or sovereigns

Sigh.............
 

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SANDS...I AM TELLING YOU THIS AGAIN.....IN CAPS SO MAYBE YOU WILL SEE IT......THANK CLINTON FOR ERASING THE BORDER BETWEEN THE US, CANADA, and MEXICO......

I think I have said this about 5 times now, but you guys (Bush haters, Conspiracy types) don't want to hear it. You want to blame Bush.

Funny how until this, I have not heard ANYTHING of the national ID....

Coulnd't care less if there is one. Coulnd't care less if they start going neighborhood to neighborhood looking for illegals. Why? Cause I have nothing to hide. If you have nothing to hide, why should you care. These things would not directly affect you. The only thing it DOES do is give you somethings else to rant and rave about becuase you don't like the War.

This stuff is getting old. We get the fact that you guys don't agree with Bush and his politics. But going to some hack site to dig up shit is second league at best. YOu don't like your local goverment or national government? Get out and get people registered to vote, get them to vote for you or for candidates you approve of and think will do the best job......

I don't get into Republican verses democrat debates...Clinton did the same stuff...The reason we are talking about Bush's policies is because he is the one in office at the present...The truth is they are both for open borders...They both pretty much have the same goals but run on slightly different platforms....Apparantly you are still unaware that Bush signed the SPP document to further the open border..Actually it's the biggest move so far for open borders...It's not "Bush hating"...It's disliking the fact that the U.S. constitution is being trashed and currently Bush is the one doing it...

You don't care ? Well, I don't want a natioanl ID or for the government to gain more control over me bcause people like you don't care...But you will care if a tyrant gets in power and law after law has been passed to where you are completely tracked and there is nowhere for you to hide....You still don't care...How about another EPA law...Or how about a curfew...Or the doubling of cost of your inspection sticker...How about a mandatory tracking device on all your vehicles like they have in Europe (Brit) where a computer records every left and right turn you make, how fast you went, where you went, how long, and the exact time you made it...You may want to live like that but not me...

You can't be FOR big government and for freedom at the same time...Control is the OPPOSITE of freedom...

Yeah "democrat means big government and republican means less government and conservatism"...LOL the government only gets bigger no matter who is in office...Strangely the government and it's control and power has grown the most under Bush the "conservative less government" president....Department of Homeland "Security"..."Patriot" Act...National ID...THE SAFEST MOST SECURE PLACE IN THE WORLD IS A PADDED CELL.You can't have freedom and total security...

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I once saw in a movie where this guy wrapped a wet towel around his head to lessen the accuracy of the tracking device they placed in his head. I bet I could wrap my national ID in a wet towel and they wouldn't be able to tell if I was at the stripclub or at church.
 

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chances are you wouldnt be...me either...but it is the fact that your are bieng scrutinizd more closely as a result of your own need to feel safe from terrorism...man, i say it again...we will be given plenty of rope...i dont wanna break a law and i dont want my kids watched...but when we all start looking at one another, and holding fuggen cards that work on the credit card system...we do btw..already..a govt fearful of uprising holds on tighter..basic history..fugg...somple really low voter turnout...etc...


hey wait a minute...why may they be hanging our flag upside down...
gotta search and open windows..treid to get on point with this thread, but oh well...lets see, could it be this???...



Most provocative is the contractor to whom this no-bid contract was handed: ChoicePoint Inc. of Alpharetta, Georgia. ChoicePoint is the database company that created a list for Governor Jeb Bush of Florida of voters to scrub from voter rolls before the 2000 election. ChoicePoint's list (94,000 names in all) contained few felons. Most of those on the list were guilty of no crime except Voting While Black. The disenfranchisement of these voters cost Al Gore the presidency. Having chosen our President for us, our President's men chose ChoicePoint for this sweet War on Terror database gathering. The use of the Venezuela's and Mexico's voter registry files to fight terror is not visible - but the use of the lists to manipulate elections is as obvious as the make-up on Katherine Harris' cheeks.


anyone ever heard of choicepoint???total fabricattion...useless info...why is th fuggen flag upside down???cause they were subjected to a u.s. style smear campaign on a candidate who was ahead, by a slim margain, but ahead...bury your heads...i'm tryin to look into it...any help out there??...what about choicepoint??...more :beer::beer::beer:
 

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let me rephrase...two dif subjects...choicepoint and the smear campaign...lobrador(sp) was ahead of calderon , but close...and there was a last minute smear on him...that is fair campaigning...not gonna connect the fuggen dots for ya...the choicepoint co....was involved in the voting process itself...totaly different aspect of leading the lemmings... the counting, ya know... and there are some amounts of irregularities in the districts...hhmmm...whatever... feel free to discount.....but THAT might be part of why the flag is upside down...

someone shoot down choicepiont and i'll let it go...
 
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