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No slip, that just slows you down and isn't the fast way around the track. Just watch the fastest guys in the world on the most technologically advanced motorcycles, both wheels always inline!:helmet:

http://youtu.be/t-_vIyXoXW8
 

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That is freakin' insane.
Blows my mind lol
If you are impressed by that watch the Masters. Spencer, Rainey, Schwantz, Roberts, Doohan, Gardner.

That video is child's play compared to those guys. There are images of Spencer drifting the FRONT and rear, leaving long black marks from the front tire coming into the turn.

Those guys had traction control but it was in their right hand.

This is worth a look.

Schwantz vs. Rainey
 

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If you are impressed by that watch the Masters. Spencer, Rainey, Schwantz, Roberts, Doohan, Gardner.

That video is child's play compared to those guys. There are images of Spencer drifting the FRONT and rear, leaving long black marks from the front tire coming into the turn.

Those guys had traction control but it was in their right hand.
Were they dragging elbow?
 

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Negative. That's a modern technique needed to get the weight much farther to the inside because the bikes are so much heavier now. It's almost like the contortions of a sidecar monkey but they have to do that to get the weight as far in as possible. Also it looks cool and makes for a great photograph. Yes, they are getting a little farther over on the tire but not that much further over from years past. More grip and better suspension from today's bikes lets them lean over just those couple-three more degrees along with the body way off the bike.

Notice how quick the 500s turn, they "snap" over compared to the diesels of today. Watch how the front fork compressed so quickly under braking; the braking points are much later with the 500s because of the very light weight, it looks like the front end just "slams" down to the stop but that's just appearances. These guys are bringing the front tire right to the limit of traction at the last instant. The braking markers are much further down the track, the cornering speeds and flick rates are quicker, just makes for a real exciting spectacle.

I paid for the MotoGP Videopass and I respect the racers these days but it's not like the zenith of true GP racing on 500s. Those were purpose-built racebikes with almost nothing in common with streetbikes. Now 6-axis gyros, accelerometers, TC, computers are doing a lot of the leg work. That slide by Marquez in the OP's video is so tame and smooth compared to what the 500s were doing, it's all managed by the computer. The new R1 can reportedly do the same thing with a good rider.
 

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At 5:06 in the Schwantz video you can see how deep the lean angles are. They can do this because the bike is so much lighter, without having to drag elbows and heads and whatnot.

The bike is easier to control with your upper body more on the tank and bars especially if rear-wheel steering or controlling the front tucking.
 

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Either way you can see how you still need to steer with the rear wheel to be fast. Also if you think these guys don't slide the front tire your very wrong. They may not leave big blackies but the fast guys (not just MGP) slide the front tire.
 
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