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Im going to throw the forum off its axel for a bit just because and its been a while since this pita has done so.

Lets begin with my revelation:
creationism and evolution, there is room for the both to exist. just read the book of genesis for what it is (whether youre a christian or not, im not trying to bother anyone with that), apply general scientific theory and youll see that man came from dust see Gen 2:7"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul", before man a theory or theories known as the gap theory arises(between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 to be particular). in short this time span couldve been millions of years. i leave this open for your two-cents to include other pre-adamite conclusions and such (fyi, adam is just hebrew for man). i will say that scientific theories supports cataclysmic disasters like the flood meteors.

back to evolution, picture this theory as a single word with many many specific definitions or theories- those many definitions are what distract atheist and christians alike.

my take on creation science supports the gap theory and declines that man came from apes or animals evolved- that is scientifically wrong, show me PROOF where its true. in the beginning there were "kinds" of animals that were crossbred, period (not humans). the cavemen you see in museums have enlarged craniums and brows for these facts: your brow and scull will continue to grow as you age. they were hunched over and had larger knuckles because of something we call arthritis, which im sure youd have too if you lived off the land for over 100yrs. with that said i believe the earth had a atmosphere we are not familiar with today. an atmosphere before a great flood when the earth erupted and sky fell- so to say. men in that time lived hundreds of years which explains their skulls because they werent impacted by the sun and atmosphere as we are today.

what grinds my gears is how our vernacular can adopt such a broad word like evolution and wage war on it. there are so many types of evolution to define. what im supporting here is that we could have very well came from a single-cell, the planet is likely millions, dinosaurs werent always dinosaurs until the 1800's when the word came to be but called dragons (esp in scripture and in many other cultures), the flood occurred (in many cultures they speak of a great flood), and man lived much longer before the flood.

yes, im bringing to the table my views as a christian, i will not force them down anyone's throat but would like an atheist to chew on what theories both scripture and science supports.
 

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Im going to throw the forum off its axel for a bit just because and its been a while since this pita has done so.

Lets begin with my revelation:
creationism and evolution, there is room for the both to exist. just read the book of genesis for what it is (whether youre a christian or not, im not trying to bother anyone with that), apply general scientific theory and youll see that man came from dust see Gen 2:7, before man (between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 to be particular) a theory or theories known as the gap theory arises. in short this time span couldve been millions of years. i leave this open for your two-cents to include other pre-adamite conclusions and such (fyi, adam is just hebrew for man). i will say that scientific theories supports cataclysmic disasters like the flood meteors.

back to evolution, picture this "theory" as a single word with many many specific definitions- those many definitions are what distract atheist and christians alike.

my take on creation science supports the gap theory and declines that man came from apes or animals evolved- that is scientifically wrong, show me PROOF where its true. in the beginning there were "kinds" of animals that were crossbred, period (not humans). the cavemen you see in museums have enlarged craniums and brows for these facts: your brow and scull will continue to grow as you age. they were hunched over and had larger knuckles because of something we call arthritis, which im sure youd have too if you lived off the land for over 100yrs. with that said i believe the earth had a atmosphere we are not familiar with today. an atmosphere before a great flood when the earth erupted and sky fell- so to say. men in that time lived hundreds of years which explains their skulls because they werent impacted by the sun and atmosphere as we are today.

what grinds my gears is how our vernacular can adopt such a broad word like evolution and wage war on it. there are so many types of evolution to define. what im supporting here is that we could have very well came from a single-cell, the planet is likely millions, dinosaurs werent always dinosaurs until the 1800's when the word came to be but called dragons (esp in scripture and in many other cultures), the flood occurred (in many cultures they speak of a great flood), and man lived much longer before the flood.

yes, im bringing to the table my views as a christian, i will not force them down anyone's throat but would like an atheist to chew on what theories both scripture and science supports.
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heyy ferner, get back in your hole haha.

i was just doing a load of reading and research to come to this conclusion. mind you, i prob read more than the typical atheist would to defend their opinions. my theory is just a derivative of the gap theory and evolution. i feel most christians will not accept the word evolution because itd admit fault as most atheist will not accept creationism for the same reason. the fact of the matter at hand is that the gap theory or theories (which is supported of both christian and atheist study, mainly judeo-christian) can successfully coexist to an extent.

what im putting on the table here is that biblical scripture supports science in many ways to include even that of "earths planetary evolution", cataclysm, and that we arent of ape but man via a complex single-cel organism. keep in mind there is no physical evidence of ANY type of evolution just theories. with that said, i personally believe in my studies and that god created man and that our planets origin and our origin is stated all throughout scripture.
 

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heyy ferner, get back in your hole haha.

i was just doing a load of reading and research to come to this conclusion. mind you, i prob read more than the typical atheist would to defend their opinions. my theory is just a derivative of the gap theory and evolution. i feel most christians will not accept the word evolution because itd admit fault as most atheist will not accept creationism for the same reason. the fact of the matter at hand is that the gap theory or theories (which is supported of both christian and atheist study, mainly judeo-christian) can successfully coexist to an extent.
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Im going to throw the forum off its axel for a bit just because and its been a while since this pita has done so.

Lets begin with my revelation:
creationism and evolution, there is room for the both to exist. just read the book of genesis for what it is (whether youre a christian or not, im not trying to bother anyone with that), apply general scientific theory and youll see that man came from dust see Gen 2:7"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul", before man a theory or theories known as the gap theory arises(between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 to be particular). in short this time span couldve been millions of years. i leave this open for your two-cents to include other pre-adamite conclusions and such (fyi, adam is just hebrew for man). i will say that scientific theories supports cataclysmic disasters like the flood meteors.

back to evolution, picture this theory as a single word with many many specific definitions or theories- those many definitions are what distract atheist and christians alike.

my take on creation science supports the gap theory and declines that man came from apes or animals evolved- that is scientifically wrong, show me PROOF where its true. in the beginning there were "kinds" of animals that were crossbred, period (not humans). the cavemen you see in museums have enlarged craniums and brows for these facts: your brow and scull will continue to grow as you age. they were hunched over and had larger knuckles because of something we call arthritis, which im sure youd have too if you lived off the land for over 100yrs. with that said i believe the earth had a atmosphere we are not familiar with today. an atmosphere before a great flood when the earth erupted and sky fell- so to say. men in that time lived hundreds of years which explains their skulls because they werent impacted by the sun and atmosphere as we are today.

what grinds my gears is how our vernacular can adopt such a broad word like evolution and wage war on it. there are so many types of evolution to define. what im supporting here is that we could have very well came from a single-cell, the planet is likely millions, dinosaurs werent always dinosaurs until the 1800's when the word came to be but called dragons (esp in scripture and in many other cultures), the flood occurred (in many cultures they speak of a great flood), and man lived much longer before the flood.

yes, im bringing to the table my views as a christian, i will not force them down anyone's throat but would like an atheist to chew on what theories both scripture and science supports.
it really depends on if you believe the Bible to be the ultimate truth, and which version of the Bible it is.

fact. the Bible contradicts scientific dating measurements
or if you like, scientific dating measurements contradicts the Bible
 

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it really depends on if you believe the Bible to be the ultimate truth, and which version of the Bible it is.

fact. the Bible contradicts scientific dating measurements
or if you like, scientific dating measurements contradicts the Bible
Science may think it proves the bible wrong, but there has to be error in it. The bible in no way or no where contradicts itself, and there is no error in it. Thats not just something I believe, but what God says, so it is Truth undeniable.

Im not going to get into any kind of religious debate again on this forum, however if someone is seeking the truth, and is tired of believing blindly, your welcome to PM me, and Ill be happy to discuss it further.
 

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it really depends on if you believe the Bible to be the ultimate truth, and which version of the Bible it is.

fact. the Bible contradicts scientific dating measurements
or if you like, scientific dating measurements contradicts the Bible
Like it or not, as the Bible was written (and rewritten) by men, it is fallible as men are. The contradictions could just be mistranslations.
 

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My question is this.

Who created god? Did he just spontaneously come into existence? Did he somehow create himself before he existed?

If he could just spontaneously come into existence, then why couldn't the universe have just happened.

Bible was written by man and translated many times which means alteration.
There are some good lessons in it but too many people use it as a bully pulpit.

We live in a country that doesn't require you to be religious but churches get to be tax free including the ones on tv ripping people off, and religion interferes with many aspects of life.

Not exactly what the founding fathers had in mind with separation of church and state.

It's kind of funny, there are many religions that you don't believe in, I just add one more to the list.

Dinner is ready....I'll check back later.
 

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Science may think it proves the bible wrong, but there has to be error in it. The bible in no way or no where contradicts itself, and there is no error in it. Thats not just something I believe, but what God says, so it is Truth undeniable.

Im not going to get into any kind of religious debate again on this forum, however if someone is seeking the truth, and is tired of believing blindly, your welcome to PM me, and Ill be happy to discuss it further.
The Truth in the past has been very arbitrary and was always written by those in power. Science changed that. Lets not go back to the Dark Ages now.
 

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Lets begin with my revelation:
creationism and evolution, there is room for the both to exist. just read the book of genesis for what it is (whether youre a christian or not, im not trying to bother anyone with that), apply general scientific theory and youll see that man came from dust see Gen 2:7"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul", before man a theory or theories known as the gap theory arises(between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 to be particular). in short this time span couldve been millions of years. i leave this open for your two-cents to include other pre-adamite conclusions and such (fyi, adam is just hebrew for man). i will say that scientific theories supports cataclysmic disasters like the flood meteors.

God also created all other living things, but does it say that He breathed life into them? No, He only gave this life to us. That is why we are in His image, to have a spirit that is eternal. Take an animal, without spirit, they are still animated.

The bible gives nothing for us to assume there was any time span or life between the time he created the heavens and the earth, but that it was part of the first recorded creation day. Also each day would, in my opinion be a single day, and not symbolical of 1000's of years, or else after Adam would have lived 1000 years on the 7th day, and then 900+ more years.
 

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the only error in has been in translation. Without getting off topic, biblical scripture, when traced back to its Hebrew and Greek language, is even stronger and often carries a totally different message than the english language could offer. but this is totally OT. and yes, i do believe the bible to its fullest but lets save that debate for another thread respectfully.
 

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Like it or not, as the Bible was written (and rewritten) by men, it is fallible as men are. The contradictions could just be mistranslations.
Those men are guided by the Holy Spirit, so it cannot be fallible. I will agree though, that the Scriptures cannot be translated properly into English for the Hebrew/Greek, but that doesnt keep anyone from finding the Truth if they seek it.
 

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Aight.... guitarplayer and zx10miami are here now, time to go :eyecrazy: All we need now is Hill and Whispering ninny.
the only error in has been in translation. Without getting off topic, biblical scripture, when traced back to its Hebrew and Greek language, is even stronger and often carries a totally different message than the english language could offer. but this is totally OT. and yes, i do believe the bible to its fullest but lets save that debate for another thread respectfully.
Obviously you didnt read my post above...
 

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My question is this.

Who created god? Did he just spontaneously come into existence? Did he somehow create himself before he existed?

If he could just spontaneously come into existence, then why couldn't the universe have just happened.

Bible was written by man and translated many times which means alteration.
There are some good lessons in it but too many people use it as a bully pulpit.

We live in a country that doesn't require you to be religious but churches get to be tax free including the ones on tv ripping people off, and religion interferes with many aspects of life.

Not exactly what the founding fathers had in mind with separation of church and state.

It's kind of funny, there are many religions that you don't believe in, I just add one more to the list.

Dinner is ready....I'll check back later.
Ok, this is my last one, and then Im out, :lol:

Is it any harder to believe God has always existed, or that all things came from nothing? Nothing can come from nothing without a creator.

And you make a good argument regarding "religion". There are those organizations that have no concerns for the people and their salvation, but are only in it for the money. Im am not associated with any of those. There should not be denominations, or factions, or divisions. but there are.. Not by Gods design, but of man. People get into those without careing, blindly believing, following this and that with no care why. Those are who cause you to dismiss God. I could show you a better way.

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Im going to throw the forum off its axel for a bit just because and its been a while since this pita has done so.

Lets begin with my revelation:
creationism and evolution, there is room for the both to exist. just read the book of genesis for what it is (whether youre a christian or not, im not trying to bother anyone with that), apply general scientific theory and youll see that man came from dust see Gen 2:7"And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living soul", before man a theory or theories known as the gap theory arises(between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 to be particular). in short this time span couldve been millions of years. i leave this open for your two-cents to include other pre-adamite conclusions and such (fyi, adam is just hebrew for man). i will say that scientific theories supports cataclysmic disasters like the flood meteors.

back to evolution, picture this theory as a single word with many many specific definitions or theories- those many definitions are what distract atheist and christians alike.

my take on creation science supports the gap theory and declines that man came from apes or animals evolved- that is scientifically wrong, show me PROOF where its true. in the beginning there were "kinds" of animals that were crossbred, period (not humans). the cavemen you see in museums have enlarged craniums and brows for these facts: your brow and scull will continue to grow as you age. they were hunched over and had larger knuckles because of something we call arthritis, which im sure youd have too if you lived off the land for over 100yrs. with that said i believe the earth had a atmosphere we are not familiar with today. an atmosphere before a great flood when the earth erupted and sky fell- so to say. men in that time lived hundreds of years which explains their skulls because they werent impacted by the sun and atmosphere as we are today.

what grinds my gears is how our vernacular can adopt such a broad word like evolution and wage war on it. there are so many types of evolution to define. what im supporting here is that we could have very well came from a single-cell, the planet is likely millions, dinosaurs werent always dinosaurs until the 1800's when the word came to be but called dragons (esp in scripture and in many other cultures), the flood occurred (in many cultures they speak of a great flood), and man lived much longer before the flood.

yes, im bringing to the table my views as a christian, i will not force them down anyone's throat but would like an atheist to chew on what theories both scripture and science supports.
Life expectance was very low, it still is in places where civilization doesnt exhist. They had to hunt, eat roots or whatever they could find or die if they had a cold or something that stupid. Life expectance back then wasnt more then 30 years and facts show that when cientists test bones age.
 

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it really depends on if you believe the Bible to be the ultimate truth, and which version of the Bible it is.

fact. the Bible contradicts scientific dating measurements
or if you like, scientific dating measurements contradicts the Bible
fact: scientific dating contradicts itself :lol:
 

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were wayyyy off topic here. yes you all have your solid points, good for ya heres a cookie...thats right eat it, enjoy it....

the topic here is as simple as this; an old book that people laugh about (unfortunatly for them) supports a lot the science we preach today, PERIOD.


man "translated" the books. i could tell you ive seen pieces of scripture dating back long before me and you which was found on papyrus written in hebrew and greek. the original books were written by prophets and such. in the bible it explains the great pyramid, dragons or dinosaurs, the flood, meterors, earlier civilizations, and so much more let alone science. to doubt such an old collection of books may be foolish but i will not judge anyone and enjoy hearing your ideas.

why would anyone take their faith to death i.e. the apostle when they just could've denied it all together and lived?
 

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I genuinely want to know how the "believers" think that god came about.

Maybe it will make sense to me then.

I just don't get all the, such and such is so great it had to be created by a higher power stuff. Yet god had to come about some how.

In some ways, it is all just an answer for those who can't accept that shit happens. When it is good it brings people together and encourages good behavior. But we have actual laws to define how people act, we don't really need threats from above anymore.

Criminals always seem to believe anyway, prison's full of believers, mobsters are big into church according to most accounts, not just tv/ movies but biographies.

I can still remember being taught about the acncient gods in history class and how we all laughed at a sun god and such. But our beliefs, yeah, of course we have it right. No room for doubt.

In a couple thousand years, people will be laughing at the stuff people believe today.
Unless a metor or nukes take out the planet. We could kill mankind but likely not the actual planet.
 

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This is totally off topic from my opening discussion. However, allow me to entertain: there are forces in this world that control what you fail to see. These forces are simply supernatural. They operate from their own set of laws that we can't entirely fathom. Accepting anything other than that is dangerous to believe. Christian or not biblical scripture supports facts throughout history.
I genuinely want to know how the "believers" think that god came about.

Maybe it will make sense to me then.

I just don't get all the, such and such is so great it had to be created by a higher power stuff. Yet god had to come about some how.

In some ways, it is all just an answer for those who can't accept that shit happens. When it is good it brings people together and encourages good behavior. But we have actual laws to define how people act, we don't really need threats from above anymore.

Criminals always seem to believe anyway, prison's full of believers, mobsters are big into church according to most accounts, not just tv/ movies but biographies.

I can still remember being taught about the acncient gods in history class and how we all laughed at a sun god and such. But our beliefs, yeah, of course we have it right. No room for doubt.

In a couple thousand years, people will be laughing at the stuff people believe today.
Unless a metor or nukes take out the planet. We could kill mankind but likely not the actual planet.
 
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