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Hi guys,

Rather than the usual...i've just bought a XXX and what should I have considered' I thought I'd take the unprecedented step of asking advice of those in the know before I hand over the dosh.

Te guy I'm buying it off sounds knowledgeable and a nice guy to boot and I'm pretty experienced in the art of bike buying but could really do with opinions on particular model weaknesses and/or any things to watch out for on this model. Theres no service history but this is reflected in the price, its done 24k miles so I am aware its due a major service but I'm pretty happy doing valve clearances etc myself and again, its cheap to reflect this.

Its got an akrapovic can and power commander, custom mapped on a dyno. its got an ohlins damper so looks like the brutal power delivery and 'lively' handling should be sorted. I'm coming from a GSXR1000 K1 and Fireblade 929 background so assume this is similar but more (power GSXR plus some and handling 929 ish with equal tank slappers.

Be very interested to hear your opinions and of course I'll post up pics/findings when I've collected.

Cheers dudes, ride safe.

Mark
 

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First, :welcome: Mark!


Anything and everything about a first Gen 10R is available using the search button. We even have a whole section dedicated to it as well. Gen 1 10R's major issue is the generator. Look that up and it's remedies as well as some other minor issues and quirks, they're all here.

:welcome: again, enjoy the site!!:thumbsup:
 

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Cheers,
I know about the frame issue but I can't get a feel for how common it is. I do exit a lot of corners on one wheel so even if it doesn't have an issue am I just one hard landing away from an issue at all times? Doesn't sound ideal tbh but would be a real shame to back away from something that sounds so good for an issue that affects one bike in a few hundred. If its pretty much inevitable though I think I'd walk away.
 

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Old bike, so why buy it. Have to go g4 or newer with the 10; I would not buy the g4 unless you can find a new one and get the extended warranty; same with g5.
 

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Cheers,
I know about the frame issue but I can't get a feel for how common it is. I do exit a lot of corners on one wheel so even if it doesn't have an issue am I just one hard landing away from an issue at all times? Doesn't sound ideal tbh but would be a real shame to back away from something that sounds so good for an issue that affects one bike in a few hundred. If its pretty much inevitable though I think I'd walk away.
I read through a few of the old threads on the frame cracking and there were a few guys who have stated that they wheelie all the time and slam it back down and haven't had any issues.

It seems to be kind of hit and miss, the Gen 1 that we have doesn't show any cracks but it doesn't get ridden nearly as hard since my mom rides it. Literally gets driven under 90MPH 95% of the time when she's on it.

I'm hoping I can convince my dad to let me keep it for myself when she's done with it ha.
 

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As said above check the frame over well for cracks...Just a heads up I looked at one the other day and inspected it for cracks, he did quite a extensive job to cover up the cracked frame.
 

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Nice !
If it is '05 model , the generator problem is resolved .
Change only MC and front calipers. AND change valve retainer with '08+ model.
 

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Thanks for the info guys, yep...didnt spot that the graphic 'ninja' had been changed doh! I'm normally more OCD than that so will change back to OEM.

This bike is awesome! Its deepest darkest winter over here in UK at the mo but I found some dry (but cold) roads last night and managed to get all the power down...hells teeth this thing is an animal! Need to be careful feeding in the throttle out of bends and it changes direction so much more quickly than my GSXR1000. I assumed it had to be geared down as the acceleration was so fierce but turns out I'm still on the original 17t sprocket. I know this sounds silly but I think a 16T is going in just to make things more 'animal'. The bike has been set up on the dyno for the Akrapovic exhaust and is making a nice 159.6 rwhp which I assume is pretty typical.

To be honest I think I read the 'for experts only' rep this bike has with a cynical set of ears on but genuinely I could see how a less experienced rider would be so much better off on the GSXR. This bike will just do what you tell it regardless of the consequences whereas the GSXR will remain smooth and composed in most situations. I think the press saw this as a negative but to be honest I love it.

Also I see lots of posts about how to make the braking better...really? maybe if theres fade on a track but for the roads they are strong, progressive and with lots of feel, even with our cold roads I managed to get the rear end hovering...The bike I had before this was the 929 blade and these brakes, or maybe the way you sit over the front of the bike on the ZX10, make the blades feel a bit lacking in feel.

Only problem with the bike so far is an oil weep from the sprocket side. I've wiped off the residue and will try to track down the source. Does anyone know any particular problem areas on the 04? oil pump, sprocket seal, clutch pushrod seal etc? It might help me track it down quicker.

Anyway...top bike...wish I'd had enough money for one years ago but I suspect this is the one for me...I cant think what the hell I'd replace it with...just need some warm dry roads and I think I'll be in superbike heaven.
 

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Yep, I had an 05 and after careful bleeding (reverse from the calipers) I really rated the brakes on the road which was good as I think this bike should be kept true to the original. Truly the definitive ZX10R and a classic in the making. Good choice :welcome:
 

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If u push harder on the road, brake start fade .
Change valve retainers!!!

oil pump is inside . On the left side is only sprocket seal, gear change shaft.
 

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Had a chance to Check out oil leak while I was doing the chain and sprockets and it looks like the rocker cover had leaked previously and just not been cleaned after gasket was replaced so all good. Cleaned it all up and no sign of any more oil.

I have to say 16t front and 40t rear makes a HELL of a difference on this bike. Learnt a couple of things about this model on the way too.

1. Use anti-seize grease the sprocket nut and bend over the tab to stop it tightening in use...PO didn't and my local bike shop/truck shop couldn't shift it even with the big truck air impact wrench. I needed all my ingenuity after they failed. Soaked it in penetrating fluid, heat, rear brake, wood through rear wheel, 3' breaker bar...crraaack!! sorted.

2. If going up a tooth or two on the rear sprocket, get a 112 link chain, you want to make the wheelbase as long as possible or the combo of shorter gearing and shortened wheelbase will just have the front pointed at the sky all the time...fun but doesn't help you go forward.

Still loving it. Heaven is 1000cc and green.
 

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Had a chance to Check out oil leak while I was doing the chain and sprockets and it looks like the rocker cover had leaked previously and just not been cleaned after gasket was replaced so all good. Cleaned it all up and no sign of any more oil.

I have to say 16t front and 40t rear makes a HELL of a difference on this bike. Learnt a couple of things about this model on the way too.

1. Use anti-seize grease the sprocket nut and bend over the tab to stop it tightening in use...PO didn't and my local bike shop/truck shop couldn't shift it even with the big truck air impact wrench. I needed all my ingenuity after they failed. Soaked it in penetrating fluid, heat, rear brake, wood through rear wheel, 3' breaker bar...crraaack!! sorted.

2. If going up a tooth or two on the rear sprocket, get a 112 link chain, you want to make the wheelbase as long as possible or the combo of shorter gearing and shortened wheelbase will just have the front pointed at the sky all the time...fun but doesn't help you go forward.

Still loving it. Heaven is 1000cc and green.
I would definitely not use anti seize on the counter shaft sprocket nut.
 
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