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Johnny Rock Page gets schooled by Luddington !
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Not his job. The "PRO" rider is saposed to understand what he has to do. RACE BIKES DONT HAVE MIRRORS. Its the man in the backs job to make a safe pass. Thats Street, track or dirt.
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I do think JRP fucked it up, none of the other lapped riders had any trouble getting out of the leaders way:dontknow:
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First off, I did not see the race but, if he did in fact hold his line per the rulebook then JRP was correct. Like 10speed pointed out, it is the responsibility of the rider doing the overtaking to make a safe pass. This link from roadracing world has an excerpt from the rulebook about how the rider to be overtaken should handle themselves when a blue flag is waved.
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=37409
http://www.roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=37409
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JRP is awesome! FUCKING RACE! Part of racing is getting through traffic, that course is hard to pass on anyway, did he need to cup Aaron's balls after the race as well? Yates is a dipshit anyway I wouldn't move out of the way for that asshole. He did what he felt was in accordance with the rule book.
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HAHAHAHAHA so Ludington is the AMA Pro Racing technical director?????.......Mad props for JRP for staying calm! Just very unprofessional! Punch that piece of shit! You dont hold your line you get the fuck out the way! You fucked up the show! AMA at his best. fuck them. fuck this drama shit.
ahahhahah just LOL
ahahhahah just LOL
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Your correct !
The more I watch the video the more my blood boils..Luddington showed his true colors as did DMG. You will have to remove the "PRO" from AMA Pro racing now .. Luddington has no creadibility anymore as I now consider him a THUG for DMG. :bs:
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Taken directly from the 2009 AMA Pro Road Racing Rulebook, page 77:
vii. Blue Flag: Indicates to a rider that they are about to be
overtaken. Riders are advised to keep their line and allow the
faster rider to pass. Riders disregarding this flag may be black-
flagged at the discretion of AMA Pro Racing.
The rule is unclear in my opinion. In this instance JRP's line was held but did not allow the faster rider, Yates to pass. Does that mean he was at fault or in violation of the rule? That depends on who you ask which is exactly the sort of problem the rule book is intended to prevent. In my opinion, the rules governing competition should contain no ambiguity, however this rule could be interpreted to mean that JRP was required to allow Yates to pass which he did not. I know this is splitting hairs but I assure you this incident will cause the minutiae of this rule to be dissected and reviewed line by line, word for word.
Regardless of which side of this argument you end up on, its clear to me that AMA Pro Racing and Al Ludington specifically acted hastily and unprofessionally and were completely impropper. The immediate suspension of Page for the second race and the round following was handed down with little or no review or oversight and the fact remains that he may very well have acted within the scope of the rules in this incident. This has become a shoot first organization and this time it was caught on video. If the suspension is upheld I would be very surprised if JRP and his team did not file some sort of litigious action against DMG/AMA Pro Racing.
These "Superbikes" are essentially superstock bikes. That's the whole reason DMG changed the rule to begin with. If you are unhappy with DMG doing away with the superstock class take it up with them. Again, my problem isn't with the riders, its with the rules. The rules should not allow guys in the "Superbike" class who are 5-10 seconds per lap slower than the top 10 on the grid. For example, Scot Jensen was qualified 20th on the grid for the Mid-Ohio Superbike race with a lap time of 1:30.056. The fastest qualifier was Tommy Hayden with a 1:25.054. That time would have put Jensen 13th on the 600 race grid! The final qualifier was at 1:32.645. Now at race pace the top riders generally maintain consistant fast laps for the whole race distance, and in many cases put in their fastest laps near the end of the race while its likely that the bottom 5-10 riders' pace will continue to drop therefore increasing the disparity in lap times. SO...lets do the math: At the last race the top riders were maintaining the 1:25 or 85 second pace. If you factor a disparity of 8 seconds per lap it would take 10 laps to start reaching pylons errr backmarkers. The Mid-Ohio Superbike race was 21 laps. That means for 11 of 21 laps they were racing through traffic! That is not top level racing. It just isn't .
vii. Blue Flag: Indicates to a rider that they are about to be
overtaken. Riders are advised to keep their line and allow the
faster rider to pass. Riders disregarding this flag may be black-
flagged at the discretion of AMA Pro Racing.
The rule is unclear in my opinion. In this instance JRP's line was held but did not allow the faster rider, Yates to pass. Does that mean he was at fault or in violation of the rule? That depends on who you ask which is exactly the sort of problem the rule book is intended to prevent. In my opinion, the rules governing competition should contain no ambiguity, however this rule could be interpreted to mean that JRP was required to allow Yates to pass which he did not. I know this is splitting hairs but I assure you this incident will cause the minutiae of this rule to be dissected and reviewed line by line, word for word.
Regardless of which side of this argument you end up on, its clear to me that AMA Pro Racing and Al Ludington specifically acted hastily and unprofessionally and were completely impropper. The immediate suspension of Page for the second race and the round following was handed down with little or no review or oversight and the fact remains that he may very well have acted within the scope of the rules in this incident. This has become a shoot first organization and this time it was caught on video. If the suspension is upheld I would be very surprised if JRP and his team did not file some sort of litigious action against DMG/AMA Pro Racing.
These "Superbikes" are essentially superstock bikes. That's the whole reason DMG changed the rule to begin with. If you are unhappy with DMG doing away with the superstock class take it up with them. Again, my problem isn't with the riders, its with the rules. The rules should not allow guys in the "Superbike" class who are 5-10 seconds per lap slower than the top 10 on the grid. For example, Scot Jensen was qualified 20th on the grid for the Mid-Ohio Superbike race with a lap time of 1:30.056. The fastest qualifier was Tommy Hayden with a 1:25.054. That time would have put Jensen 13th on the 600 race grid! The final qualifier was at 1:32.645. Now at race pace the top riders generally maintain consistant fast laps for the whole race distance, and in many cases put in their fastest laps near the end of the race while its likely that the bottom 5-10 riders' pace will continue to drop therefore increasing the disparity in lap times. SO...lets do the math: At the last race the top riders were maintaining the 1:25 or 85 second pace. If you factor a disparity of 8 seconds per lap it would take 10 laps to start reaching pylons errr backmarkers. The Mid-Ohio Superbike race was 21 laps. That means for 11 of 21 laps they were racing through traffic! That is not top level racing. It just isn't .
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I never met the guy, but he from here. from what other riders said who do track days. he a jack ass. still. if jrp did what he was suppose to do and did follow his line. The nascrap need to look into what happen. it the rider in back to decide when to pass the slower rider.
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Wow. Until I first saw that vid I've always thought ludington was a good guy/crewchief and respected him but no more. :headshake And even though I still think JRP needs to take his rich, slow ass home and quit being an obstacle for people who are doing this for a living I have a little respect for him after seeing how he handled himself with that nasbike douchebag.
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Hold your line. That is what we are always told. He did that from what I seen. Your still in the RACE even though your being passed you not going to slow for the next guy. AMA is getting old real quick with Hilljacks running it.
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^^^
Yep, just saw that a little while ago. You know its just BS to try and win back some fans.
I imagine the conversation went something like this:
"Al, you're in big trouble mister. HAHAHA. We're gonna "suspend" you indefinitely. HAHAHA."
"You're right, Roger. The competition, competitors, and the especially the fans are the most important thing here. snicker, snicker."
:thefinger DMG
Yep, just saw that a little while ago. You know its just BS to try and win back some fans.
I imagine the conversation went something like this:
"Al, you're in big trouble mister. HAHAHA. We're gonna "suspend" you indefinitely. HAHAHA."
"You're right, Roger. The competition, competitors, and the especially the fans are the most important thing here. snicker, snicker."
:thefinger DMG
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Ok, I just went and watched it again (still have it on DVR) and I think I have changed my mind. I was with JRP when he said he held his line and followed the rule book. Going back to watch it again, he held up the top 5-8 riders for almost a lap... While I don't agree with the way it was handled or the abuse he took for it, he should have gotten the fuck outta the way.
Yes, it is the responsibility of the faster riders to get around you safely, but at the same time, he knew it was the leaders, he knew there were tons of places to get out of the way without slowing them down, but did not... Yeah, he is a douchebag.
Yes, it is the responsibility of the faster riders to get around you safely, but at the same time, he knew it was the leaders, he knew there were tons of places to get out of the way without slowing them down, but did not... Yeah, he is a douchebag.
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Do you race or do track days? It can be a bit of a pain to get out of the way with people all around you, I'm just saying. I'm sure he has the skill but faster riders by a lap sould not have any problems getting pass him.
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