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Are you friggin serious Kawi? It's been the same friggin bike for years. The H2 is a big hunk of shit and the new ZX-10r SE is overpriced and so yesterday. Can we get something exciting? I don't care if the latest Gen is the most winning bike in WSBK. :thefinger_red: All the bikes are getting choked down by electronics and emissions standards. There is nothing out there that I am excited for. BMW needs a new platform, the R1 is ugly as fuck, I can't even look at the front without a cringe, a fish on wheels. The Aprilia is overweight, reliability is like gambling, been the same model for years. The Gixxer is way overpriced, comes with a gameboy dashboard and tractor flashers and looks really gixxer alike!:dontknow: Ducati is for the Starbuck queers with Dainese super thigh leathers that put 500 KMs a year on the rear tire, The Fireblade has no character at all, just another pile of shit Honda with no soul, way underpowered with nice welds lol. There is nothing out there that just trigger me, that get me pumped to go buy it. The sportbike scene is bland as fuck.:frown2:


The 2004-2005 was the almighty unicorn from Kawasaki. It just went downhill from there. :lol:
 

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I can feel your pain. For better term "exciting" the bike has to "feel special". If not, then I will hate it after few months. Yes, Italians feel special, but are expensive gamble.
Japanese lack attention to fine detail, just compare looks of swingarm of S1000RR with ZX10R, one is beautiful and other is ugly in my opinion.
How 95% people buy cars: outside look.
If I had to buy street sportbike today then it would be 2015 S1000RR or 2013 HP4, I'm not crazy about looks, but it feels somewhat "special" (unlike japanse bikes).
Comparing to other manufacturers BMW made substantional changes for S1000RR every 2-3 years and 2015 is certanly up to date and is amazing on both street and track.
For me: Busa yesterday, BMW today, Gen6 tomorrow (hopefully).
P.S. For track my practical choice is Gen5 if my Gen4 blows up next season.
 

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I feel that this is the best time to be shopping for superbikes. Everything is extremely powerful and has more advanced electronics than ever. As for looks, well that is subjective.
I do agree that every thing is too heavy though. And I am talking more than just superbikes that are just stupidly heavy.
 

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still love my gen2 street/strip bike including the looks, doesnt look outdated for what it does. clocks 131-132 in 1/8 and 160+ 1/4 on stk piston motor at 392 lbs with a gallon of gas. for what i built it for, still gets the job done against anything. cant see writing that $15k+ check when i can go faster easily when i choose to.
 

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Shit, im just gonna chime in to rep some GenII as well! I love the looks too, it doesnt look like a 600 and after Cody flashed it, the dyno sheet (tuned by Ryan at Schnitz) shows the power starts ramping at 5.5K and it pulls hard til the light comes on - although i will admit it has opened up heads + valve job, a kawi race cam, full Brocks and a slight comp bump + normal mods like BMC street, emissions crap gone, plus i've lightened it as much as i can at the moment and i only weigh 140 lol. Its a handful for me quite honestly lol.

I totally get what you're saying though badexample. For me, i actually want less electronics, which should bring the weight back down and i just want a bike thats gnarly. Honestly if i had the coin to buy something new within the last few years or so it would probably have been a S1000R and i really like what i read about the crossplank although im not sure how it translates to the real world - would love to test one. Im just thankful there are still so many cool older bikes out there that i also know id be able to work on without buying too much computer related stuff for hundo's of bucks. Believe me though if i could afford some Woolich gear, a data logger and a closed system id do it but its just not gonna happen at the moment lol.
 

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I agree with a lot of this...I had a Gen 1 and put 70,000 miles on her in 4 years. That bike fit me perfectly. Not the power of today's bikes and the handling needed much improvement....On the other hand, my generation 4 I've had since 2011 and plan to keep it as there's nothing out there to improve on it. Yes, I spend $10,000+ on mods, but the suspension is smooth, the engine smooth and another 15 to 25 HP won't improve my performance on the street or track. And besides it looks like a 2017/2018 bike...LOL
 

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I can feel your pain. For better term "exciting" the bike has to "feel special". If not, then I will hate it after few months. Yes, Italians feel special, but are expensive gamble.
Japanese lack attention to fine detail, just compare looks of swingarm of S1000RR with ZX10R, one is beautiful and other is ugly in my opinion.
How 95% people buy cars: outside look.
If I had to buy street sportbike today then it would be 2015 S1000RR or 2013 HP4, I'm not crazy about looks, but it feels somewhat "special" (unlike japanse bikes).
Comparing to other manufacturers BMW made substantional changes for S1000RR every 2-3 years and 2015 is certanly up to date and is amazing on both street and track.
For me: Busa yesterday, BMW today, Gen6 tomorrow (hopefully).
P.S. For track my practical choice is Gen5 if my Gen4 blows up next season.
I went to my nearest Ducati dealership to get some pricing on the new Panigale V4. The base model is $24000 CND, the S-Model is $26000 and the Tricolor is just too expensive. At that price, is a Ducati Man purse included?:spit: The Italians like to kiss each others on the cheeks isn't? Everybody that I rode with in the past had issues with their Italians. All of them. Buddy of mine bought a brand new 16 Aprilia RF. I like it, but how long before it goes boom? That thing is almost 500lbs from such a tiny bike. I not a fan of the fake carbon fiber on it/plastic tank and it clash! There is probably 10lbs of stickers embedded in the paint.:2bitchslap: But you got a lot for the price, forged wheels, suspended by Ohlins all around. Just add an exhaust/Racing ECU. I do think that the BMW S1000rr is my only option. Tweak the suspension, ECU reflash and tuning, exhaust, rearsets .It is the only bike left on the market untouched from castration.:rolleyes: I wanna like the R1 but I can't! It is too weird. I know it is a good bike, I can't go past the look. It is awful in person. The new R6 is nice, the front headlights don't stick out as much. The new Kawis, I don't even have a small erection for them just like the new Suzukis. So yesterday, so uninspired.
 

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Shit, im just gonna chime in to rep some GenII as well! I love the looks too, it doesnt look like a 600 and after Cody flashed it, the dyno sheet (tuned by Ryan at Schnitz) shows the power starts ramping at 5.5K and it pulls hard til the light comes on - although i will admit it has opened up heads + valve job, a kawi race cam, full Brocks and a slight comp bump + normal mods like BMC street, emissions crap gone, plus i've lightened it as much as i can at the moment and i only weigh 140 lol. Its a handful for me quite honestly lol.

I totally get what you're saying though badexample. For me, i actually want less electronics, which should bring the weight back down and i just want a bike thats gnarly. Honestly if i had the coin to buy something new within the last few years or so it would probably have been a S1000R and i really like what i read about the crossplank although im not sure how it translates to the real world - would love to test one. Im just thankful there are still so many cool older bikes out there that i also know id be able to work on without buying too much computer related stuff for hundo's of bucks. Believe me though if i could afford some Woolich gear, a data logger and a closed system id do it but its just not gonna happen at the moment lol.
I do like electronics, but how much can you add? Look at WSBK racing right now. It is so bad!! It is unwatchable. The riders are full throttle in corners, electronics take care of you. Look at BSB racing! Amazing racing!!!!!

BSB Racing rules:

Allowed
Engine braking (open loop, per gear).
Ignition and fuel mapping with ambient compensation and individual cylinder trims.
Full throttle gear shift cut.
Banned
Traction control.
Launch control.
Throttle blipping on down shifts.
Closed loop fuelling.
Anti-wheelie.
Anti-jerk.


 

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Preaching to the choir here Badex! Both on electronics and racing, although i can do without the elect's on the street.
Hell id like to see less computer interference and more rider input to tame a bike in a race. Right now they can hang any 110lb monkey off the side like Marquez and i feel like the bike will pretty much race itself around the course. Damn near anyway. Similar stuff with Lulu in F1.
If i did want electronics or just had to have a bike that just so happens to have them, id have to have a option to completely shut off whatever i want - i can see how that stuff may be needed when track riding - but all i want for the street is a slipper clutch. And yea i forgot to mention how hideous the new R1 is!!!

I think you hit the nail when you said Uninspiring. I think electronics/gadgetry wise the last two Kawi gens have looked great on paper - i have not been able to ride them but i want more of a difference in looks too and there was very little change from 4 - 5 and i thought that was a weak move although i do think GenV looks a little better. Yet i also feel like Gen's 4&5 might not even be that different in the engine dept.
Dont even get me started on that gay ass looking gixxer. Would rather ride the Abe Sapien R1 (in the dark of course). Anyone else hate when a manufacturer makes a cool bike on paper and people say it rides so well but you think it looks like ass?? Hate that lol.

Edit - Havent been able to watch Moto, AMA or BSA, none of it the last few years, but i still get it.

Also, we took my buddies GenI to Schnitz during the same trip and he only pulled 162 on the dyno i believe - but there is a reason so many people still rave about that bike to this day.
 
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