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Okay, so many of you may already have a TRE unit, you should still consider this simple mod. After conversing back and forth w Garth and Redline i decided to go ahead and do this. Its simple, straight forward and can be done within an hour.
First things first, remove your tank and air box. which is by far the most time consuming part of this task. If you don't know how to do this search other threads and become well acquainted to the procedures for future maintenance.

DISCLAIMER NOTES:
This particular Mod standing alone or in combination with other performance enhancing Mod's is in need of thourough testing, ie dyno time with before and after A/F ratio readouts to give verifiable documentation of its worth or not and may ultimately require a custom map costing more $$$. If you notice your bike is running lean or rich failure to take action could result in damage to your motor. I didnt retune my map because i was running a little rich to begin with. However I will custom tune it this summer. I strongly believe a custom tune is good for any bike regardless of its mods in order to achieve peak performance.
This particular how-to applies to the 1st gen however, and while the following gens use the same principle there may be some minor detailed differences. It has been noted that the second gen's screws are highly torqued and often strip out.


What you'll need:
-#2 Phillips head screw driver *magnetic may help*
- needle nose pliers (to help remove the butterflies from their location, and if you drop a screw)

Once you get the air box out of the way you'll be able to clearly see what is known as the secondary butterflies (the top set is the secondary):
*this is not from a kawi but to give you an idea*


Then you'll carefully remove the two screws securing the valve from each port. Don't sweat it if you drop a screw or valve, that's where the pliers come in. If you'd like to play it safe tuck some paper towels into the throttle body housing to catch anything that may fall. *Apparently the second gen's screws are held in w loctite exercise caution to avoid stipping them out

if you've ever noticed the buzz when you turn you key "on" its the fuel pump priming along with the exhaust valve closing and secondaries opening i.e.

all but one valve has been removed in this picture.

the following pictures are obviously with the bike turned off:

please excuse my mechanic, he is still in training:lol:



the finished product:


and a bag of butterflies :thumbsup:


here's a dyno chart and my research, compliments of Garth:





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here is some FYI from Garth:
"Hey guys, hows it goin..... I just wanted to add a bit of info to this thread.... I'm currently attending MMI Orlando.... well my instructor for my Kawasaki elective just came back from California to go visit kawasaki to get all the updates for 08 and such and one of the things he had questioned was secondary valves intake side and exhaust side..... the guy he was talking to was the guy who actually writes all the kawi tech books.

Anyways.... his explination for those valves are simply noise emmissions and they are not doing anything for power..... Basically all manufactuers pumping products into the US have a strict noise and exhaust emmissions that they have to put all this stuff onto............ ever run a bike with individual pods on the bike, the sucker is SCREAMING LOUD..... I thought of that theory a while back ago and it made sence to me, if they arent doing anything useful why have it at all ya know....

So yeah thought I would throw that out there.... thats directly from the mouth of the guy who writes all the kawi material here for us in Irving California at KHI HQ's

so rip them out guys!!!!!!!!"

I just pulled the flies out and it was real lean down low and fat on the high side.



What I did was turn off GIPro and had it dynoed again. I love it much smoother on and off throttle. The exhaust sounds so much better down low.

I lost 1hp at max but gained 8.7hp at 8600 from my last dyno run on 3/08.

 

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when the weather breaks ill test this mod out. but like Garth said it may not be as noticeable because the gains are at top end. besides i believe a majority of the gains we experience are all fabricated in our own imaginations.
 

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hahahah thats an awesome lookin dog..... dyno sheets didnt come up.
thanks bro :eek:ccasion1
i was editing the post. can you see the sheets now?

maybe the mods can add this to the "how-to" section?
 

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I though the buzzing sound was the fuel pump priming the system!!! Both my vehicles are fuel fuel injected and as soon as you turn the key on I hear the same buzzing sound, except it comes from the fuel tank (fuel pump).

Now I'm curious!!! Is it the 2ndaries or the pump???
 

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yes but if you look closely as you turn the key you hear those two actuating as well creating a their own lil noise.
 

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How do you take out the rod, plug the holes, and fix fault for the secondary servo motor?
 

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How do you take out the rod, plug the holes, and fix fault for the secondary servo motor?
unbolt the throttle bodies off the rack, pull out the shafts, unbolt the servo motor, tape up one side of the hole and pour JB weld or epoxy in there, let sit, smoothen the epoxy down, reassemble, sync TB's. Install several pieces of electrical tape over FI light. :thumbsup::badteeth:
 

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Been hearnig good things about this for the 14's and that you can tell the diff. immediatly. Please let us know how she acts when able to ride her. As this will be easy for me since the bike is apart anyhow.
 

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yeah the 14's are more responsive since kawi restricts them down low with the butterflies..... they gain 26 ft lbs on average at 3,000 rpm!!!!
 

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yeah the 14's are more responsive since kawi restricts them down low with the butterflies..... they gain 26 ft lbs on average at 3,000 rpm!!!!
Yeah thats what i read @ Brocks forum's also i asked him would i need a new map. And is it even worth it.
 

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How do you take out the rod, plug the holes, and fix fault for the secondary servo motor?
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um whats wrong w just removing the valves?

yeah the 14's are more responsive since kawi restricts them down low with the butterflies..... they gain 26 ft lbs on average at 3,000 rpm!!!!
holy shit!
 

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um whats wrong w just removing the valve?


The rod looks like a flow restriction to me. I would do this only if I could remove rod AND have no FI fault. Does anyone make a module that fakes out the butterfly servo so there is no fault, just like the exhaust servo?
 

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um whats wrong w just removing the valve?


The rod looks like a flow restriction to me. I would do this only if I could remove rod AND have no FI fault. Does anyone make a module that fakes out the butterfly servo so there is no fault, just like the exhaust servo?
nope no one makes a module for that, IVAN only makes one for the exhaust but nothing else..... dont think its a common mod to do ya know.....
 

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nope no one makes a module for that, IVAN only makes one for the exhaust but nothing else..... dont think its a common mod to do ya know.....
so let me get this straight, will the fi light come on if you take the butterflies out as hesaves did? isnt this wat the tre does, it makes the secondaries open faster? so is the tre not of any use anymore with these taken out? answer my questions now :badteeth:
 

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no if you remove the servo and all that crap assoctated with then you will get a fi light by jsut removing the actualy butterflys them selfs you get no fi light but the bike will need to be mapped
i would think you would also need the accelerator pump turned on higher then normal to cause now when you crack the throttle all that air is being let in not having to wait to get around the secondarys
 

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well Im not sure if the TRE does mess with timing or not in the bike so maybe or maybe not is it beneficial..... People are pretty sure that it opens the flies sooner which im sure it does but i have never messed with a TRE..... If anything get on a dynojet with the flies removed do a test threw all gears with out the TRE on and with it on... that should show something.

as for the accelerator pump feature im not sure you will even need it to be honest.... when using a data logger on the street the bikes ECU compensates for a throttle opening and I always saw my air fuel dive down once i cracked the throttle so thats why i havent been using it.... air fuel would dip down to the low 12's so I figured it should be ok.
 

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well Im not sure if the TRE does mess with timing or not in the bike so maybe or maybe not is it beneficial..... People are pretty sure that it opens the flies sooner which im sure it does but i have never messed with a TRE..... If anything get on a dynojet with the flies removed do a test threw all gears with out the TRE on and with it on... that should show something.

as for the accelerator pump feature im not sure you will even need it to be honest.... when using a data logger on the street the bikes ECU compensates for a throttle opening and I always saw my air fuel dive down once i cracked the throttle so thats why i havent been using it.... air fuel would dip down to the low 12's so I figured it should be ok.
let me get this straight, because everytime i think i have the tre figured out i become confused again. does it open the secondaries sooner or primary butterflies? if its the secondaries which the unit opens sooner then this five minute mod is hellava lot cheaper than the $70 plug-in. :dontknow:

its unfortunate it takes about 2hp away from the mids though. thats where i like the power but you cant argue a gain of 5hp, period.

and as far as removing the shaft, why? who cares! the air resriction is more so related to the valves them selves than their lil actuating shafts. just look at the surface area of the valve compared the the shaft!
 
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