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So, you're a new rider and you want a big bike. As long as you don't get stupid, you'll be able to handle it. It's all about the rider, right?

Forget about all the advice you get from the old codgers saying get a 250 or a 500. Why not go big right away? You'll learn how to ride it, and as you grow into it, you'll be fast. Bonus - you won't have to spend extra $$ to upgrade because you started out with what you wanted instead of buying a weenie bike.

If you buy a 250/500 or even a 600 that's not race ready you'll be kicking yourself within six months for not getting a bike that you can really tear it up with. So why bother with that? Just go straight to the big leagues. Get that literbike!

Yeah - who do you think you are kidding, squid?

Some of my favorite rationalizations:

"I'm athletic, and have good hand/eye coordination. Therefore I'm well suited to riding an aggressive sportbike." Cool, ask Kellen Winslow II about that. Unless you're a pro NFL player, I'm pretty sure he's more athletic than you are. Until you've played a game where Randy Johnson might hit you in the head from behind with a fastball because he didn't see you, it doesn't even compare to riding on streets populated by cell-phone obsessed SUV drivers.

"I rode dirt, and have a lot of experience on dirt bikes." Great. Means nothing. Out on a dirt track, you don't have soccer-mom piloted SUV's that don't see you. Oh, and what's the 1/4 mile times on a dirt bike? Not even close.

"People will give me flak if I have a weenie bike." Yeah, but you'll get even more shit if you have a literbike and can't ride it. When some guy torches you on his 600, or maybe even his weenie bike, you'll look like a total poser tool.

"I have no ego." Sure you do. Everyone does. If you have no ego, then why do you want a literbike or a race ready 600? So when you're sitting at a light on your Gixxer thou, and a bunch of bikes come up and take off with their tail-fluff waving bye-bye to you, you're just going to sit there and slowly pull off the line? Right.

"I'll outgrow a weenie bike really quickly." Sure you will. You're the next Valentino Rossi. You're the new Jeff Gordon on a bike. You're THAT fast and talented. Oh, by the way - Valentino started racing on 125cc bikes. That was his debut professionally. What do you think he learned on? Jeff Gordon learned how to drive by driving go-karts. Almost all the pros did.

"All bikes are dangerous anyway, so I might as well get the RR." There's some truth to that. However, a half twist of the throttle in 2nd or 3rd gear on a non-RR will give you a surge of power. On some of the 600RR's, and almost all the modern 1000RR, that same throttle twist will pop the wheel up, maybe even throw your ass. RR's are built to have lightning-fast responsiveness. The problem is, you're not. Same as any sport, reflexes and responses have to be conditioned. When you put in the wrong inputs on a smaller bike, it'll remind you that it doesn't really like it and resist you. On a race ready bike, it'll go ahead and do it. As Doc says, they'll do anything you want them to, but they don't speak your language. Take tankslapping for an example - if you're a new rider and your bike starts to headshake at anywhere over 30mph, you're probably going down because you don't know how to control it, and it'll turn into a tankslap. The way to ride out a headshake is the exact opposite of what your natural reflexes tell you to do. The newer RR's are highly prone to headshakes. Welcome to the bleeding edge.

It's real life, not Days of Thunder. The fastest riders/drivers on the planet got that way by starting out with smaller vehicles so they could learn to control the vehicle, rather than starting on something that they just rode and held on to. If you start big, you'll spend most of your time holding on for dear life. If you start small, you'll learn how to work the bike. But hey, what do Rossi, Gordon, the Haydens, Earnhardt, Wallace, :bitchslap :angryfire :helmet: Rainey, or any of those guys know? They started out on weenie-mobiles.

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If you buy a 600 that's not race ready you'll be kicking yourself within six months for not getting a bike that you can really tear it up with. Get that literbike!


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This is the boat Im in now. I want a new 10 SOOOO bad but I just bought my '05 636 6 months ago and now Im kicking myself in the ass. Plus I dont want the '06 so Im screwed!!
 

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This is the boat Im in now. I want a new 10 SOOOO bad but I just bought my '05 636 6 months ago and now Im kicking myself in the ass. Plus I dont want the '06 so Im screwed!!
So your telling me that out of this whole fuggen thread that is the only part that got your attention...lol.

Yea dude your screwd :bitchslap ...
 

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See... thats why squids are squids... They only hear or read what they want to hear or read. They are god's gift to motorcycling. How could anything with lack of skill pertain to them?
 

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R1GSXRKILLER said:
"I rode dirt, and have a lot of experience on dirt bikes." Great. Means nothing. Out on a dirt track, you don't have soccer-mom piloted SUV's that don't see you. Oh, and what's the 1/4 mile times on a dirt bike? Not even close.
I agree with pretty much everything in your post, except for this. People who learned in the dirt are WAY better off than those who didn't. Anyone who can ride a dirtbike well can start on a 600 and do well. What happens when someone with no dirt experience runs into some dirt, gravel, or has the tire/s lock up when that soccer mom pulls out in front of them in that SUV? They have NO IDEA how to react.

Do you have any experience in the dirt? If not, go try and ride a 2-stroke 250cc fast. You're gonna be puttin around. Riding fast in the dirt is harder than riding fast on pavement. If you can handle a dirtbike well, a 600cc sportbike is a piece of cake. People with dirt experience have a major advatage over those who don't.
 

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I agree with pretty much everything in your post, except for this. People who learned in the dirt are WAY better off than those who didn't. Anyone who can ride a dirtbike well can start on a 600 and do well. What happens when someone with no dirt experience runs into some dirt, gravel, or has the tire/s lock up when that soccer mom pulls out in front of them in that SUV? They have NO IDEA how to react.

Do you have any experience in the dirt? If not, go try and ride a 2-stroke 250cc fast. You're gonna be puttin around. Riding fast in the dirt is harder than riding fast on pavement. If you can handle a dirtbike well, a 600cc sportbike is a piece of cake. People with dirt experience have a major advatage over those who don't.
I agree with you on that.

I rode dirtbike's none stop since i was 8. Got my first big bike when i was 19 (zx900 ninja)

I learned some hard lessons on that thing, But not due to riding inexperiance...it was stupidity that would make me do dumb shit & almost got me killed a few time's. Alway's riding on the sword's edge...those were the good ol'e day's.

I haven't changed much but my riding attitude has. I still go ball's out........Just alittle more cautious of all the shit that could wreack my world....i got my kid's to think of.
 

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That is one thing that can get you into trouble. When you grew up on dirtbikes, everything is balls-to-the-wall and that mentality usually carries over to sportbikes when you get one. I don't think it ever goes away either :twisted:
 

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Tell em like it is Killa!

I got schooled by a SV650 this weekend. I might need to sell my 10 ..sniff, sniff
Yo ya "Katrina bash bastid"

So you finally got some riding time...you deserve it after all the the shit you been through..i'm happy for ya bro.:thumbsup:.. :eek:ccasion1.. :beer:. :loser: ...:thefinger .
 

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just alittle more cautious of all the shit that could wreack my world....i got my kid's to think of.
yeah, yeah, kids need a dad too!!!
slows me down a good bit...
sux when we finally figure out that were are not immortal...
 

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See... thats why squids are squids... They only hear or read what they want to hear or read. They are god's gift to motorcycling. How could anything with lack of skill pertain to them?
Oh PA-LEASE!! :jerkit: So if I want a 10 I shouldnt get one b/c I havent earned the right to? :fu2:
 

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Here let me post this shit again so some of these hard head's get it...:BangHead:

Read it slllllooooowwwwwlllllllyyyyyyy this time so it sink's in.


So, you're a new rider and you want a big bike. As long as you don't get stupid, you'll be able to handle it. It's all about the rider, right?

Forget about all the advice you get from the old codgers saying get a 250 or a 500. Why not go big right away? You'll learn how to ride it, and as you grow into it, you'll be fast. Bonus - you won't have to spend extra $$ to upgrade because you started out with what you wanted instead of buying a weenie bike.

If you buy a 250/500 or even a 600 that's not race ready you'll be kicking yourself within six months for not getting a bike that you can really tear it up with. So why bother with that? Just go straight to the big leagues. Get that literbike!

Yeah - who do you think you are kidding, squid?

Some of my favorite rationalizations:

"I'm athletic, and have good hand/eye coordination. Therefore I'm well suited to riding an aggressive sportbike." Cool, ask Kellen Winslow II about that. Unless you're a pro NFL player, I'm pretty sure he's more athletic than you are. Until you've played a game where Randy Johnson might hit you in the head from behind with a fastball because he didn't see you, it doesn't even compare to riding on streets populated by cell-phone obsessed SUV drivers.

"I rode dirt, and have a lot of experience on dirt bikes." Great. Means nothing. Out on a dirt track, you don't have soccer-mom piloted SUV's that don't see you. Oh, and what's the 1/4 mile times on a dirt bike? Not even close.

"People will give me flak if I have a weenie bike." Yeah, but you'll get even more shit if you have a literbike and can't ride it. When some guy torches you on his 600, or maybe even his weenie bike, you'll look like a total poser tool.

"I have no ego." Sure you do. Everyone does. If you have no ego, then why do you want a literbike or a race ready 600? So when you're sitting at a light on your Gixxer thou, and a bunch of bikes come up and take off with their tail-fluff waving bye-bye to you, you're just going to sit there and slowly pull off the line? Right.

"I'll outgrow a weenie bike really quickly." Sure you will. You're the next Valentino Rossi. You're the new Jeff Gordon on a bike. You're THAT fast and talented. Oh, by the way - Valentino started racing on 125cc bikes. That was his debut professionally. What do you think he learned on? Jeff Gordon learned how to drive by driving go-karts. Almost all the pros did.

"All bikes are dangerous anyway, so I might as well get the RR." There's some truth to that. However, a half twist of the throttle in 2nd or 3rd gear on a non-RR will give you a surge of power. On some of the 600RR's, and almost all the modern 1000RR, that same throttle twist will pop the wheel up, maybe even throw your ass. RR's are built to have lightning-fast responsiveness. The problem is, you're not. Same as any sport, reflexes and responses have to be conditioned. When you put in the wrong inputs on a smaller bike, it'll remind you that it doesn't really like it and resist you. On a race ready bike, it'll go ahead and do it. As Doc says, they'll do anything you want them to, but they don't speak your language. Take tankslapping for an example - if you're a new rider and your bike starts to headshake at anywhere over 30mph, you're probably going down because you don't know how to control it, and it'll turn into a tankslap. The way to ride out a headshake is the exact opposite of what your natural reflexes tell you to do. The newer RR's are highly prone to headshakes. Welcome to the bleeding edge.

It's real life, not Days of Thunder. The fastest riders/drivers on the planet got that way by starting out with smaller vehicles so they could learn to control the vehicle, rather than starting on something that they just rode and held on to. If you start big, you'll spend most of your time holding on for dear life. If you start small, you'll learn how to work the bike. But hey, what do Rossi, Gordon, the Haydens, Earnhardt, Wallace, Rainey, or any of those guys know? They started out on weenie-mobiles.
 

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