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Firstly I would like to thank PatrickG from this site for the enormous effort in helping me source parts and shipping them to the U.K. without his help this wouldn't have happened.

Oh and I am noticing a trend that the U.K bikes are putting down high numbers compared to some U.S. bikes, I know our petrol is a lot more refined here and its almost always cold and raining (denser colder air) but other than that don't know the reasons.

On reccomendation I took my bike to F.W. developments, they specialise in tuning Kwaks,they presently work with the factory teams in the BSB championship and world SBK championship; so they know their stuff.
My bike given to them as baseline had a PC3, Akrapovic Ti slip on and a K&N filter, using the pre provided map from the power commander website.

I took them an Arata Full Ti System, Kawi Race Intake Cam, .050 gasket and an Ivans TRE.
They were very sceptical that I would get good results going this route, as they are used to doing a lot more work on race prepping engines, but agreed to give it a go. Further to this they had not fitted and mapped a 10 before using Ivans TRE, anyway the mechanic doing my work was intrigued by the TRE to the point that he decided free of charge to do a dyno run with and without it.
The Cams were Degreed at 105 / 101
All the maps are here, make your own minds up.

1st Before and after
2nd TRE Comparison
3rd Receipt to prove work done
 

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I got mine did the other day. Baseline was the same as yours. With the same mods you have, except i have the .045 head gasket. I ended up with 168hp. You have a strong one!!! Excellant numbers
 

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Do you know in what gear did they dynoed your bike?

My question arises from the fact that, as far as I know, the tre (Ivan´s) sets the ecu at 4th gear map, all the time.

If the tunner dynoes the bike in 4th (which is kinda the norm), it shouldn´t (¿?) be a difference with or without tre; unless he has dynoed it in any other gear.

Really nice numbers though!! Congrats:thumbsup:
 

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Hi sextaafondo, I'm sorry I don't have a clue as to the gear it was dynoed in, I am new to this, it's the 1st bike i've ever had tuned.
What was of interest was the engineers comment about Ivans TRE, roughly he said that when he had got his head around moving the sub throttle assy and fully understanding the way this particular TRE works he was very inquisitive, to the point he wanted to see for himself any HP differences if any.(They have fitted TRE's before, but not an Ivans) He commented that he was both impressed and surprised at the fact it got the couple of HP it did.
When I had been quoted big £'s for head work that may gain 3-4 hp, Ivans TRE for its price was an absolute bargain.
I also forgot to mention the cam degrees, they set them at 105 / 101
Cheers Ergo
 

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Hi akkordn2u, not quite sure what point you are suggesting, I can't see any point whatsoever removing the secondaries, as the TRE when installed correctly opens the secondaries around 2K earlier.

The bike is now so fast I am totally stunned, an 06 fireblade conveniently chose to try racing me as I brought the bike back from the tuners, in 30 years of riding I have never so comprehensively wiped the floor with another bike, to the point I actually felt sorry for him. I stayed on his tail as he went round some bends, I saw him tuck down behind the fairing as he exited the last corner so I knew what was gonna happen next, as soon as he went W.O.T. I just pulled alongside him then let loose, after approx 1 mile he was at least 1/3 mile behind me, totally :eek:wned: -- power like that is enough for me.
NOW ALL I GOTTA DO IS HUNT DOWN SOME GIXXERS, give them :bitchslap and make em :cry:

After reading and researching 100's of TRE posts, 1 question / challenge seemed to keep emerging; that being :-
Would someone post up dyno graphs with identical mods but with the TRE on and the TRE off ?
I didn't find any, they might be there, if so I missed them.
So after getting this comparison without even asking for it I thought it may be of interest to some.
It certainly made me happy; a $50 part gave me 2HP, its a great bang for buck mod when its installed and mapped correctly, and the throttle pickup is mindblowing.
Stage 1 headwork would have been @ $980 (£700 U.K.) and they were only guaranteing 3-4 HP for that, so 2HP at $50 is a no brainer, I would never even give the head a 2nd thought at that price for fck all noticeable power.
Cheers Ergo
 

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Firstly I would like to thank PatrickG from this site for the enormous effort in helping me source parts and shipping them to the U.K. without his help this wouldn't have happened.

Oh and I am noticing a trend that the U.K bikes are putting down high numbers compared to some U.S. bikes, I know our petrol is a lot more refined here and its almost always cold and raining (denser colder air) but other than that don't know the reasons.

On reccomendation I took my bike to F.W. developments, they specialise in tuning Kwaks,they presently work with the factory teams in the BSB championship and world SBK championship; so they know their stuff.
My bike given to them as baseline had a PC3, Akrapovic Ti slip on and a K&N filter, using the pre provided map from the power commander website.

I took them an Arata Full Ti System, Kawi Race Intake Cam, .050 gasket and an Ivans TRE.
They were very sceptical that I would get good results going this route, as they are used to doing a lot more work on race prepping engines, but agreed to give it a go. Further to this they had not fitted and mapped a 10 before using Ivans TRE, anyway the mechanic doing my work was intrigued by the TRE to the point that he decided free of charge to do a dyno run with and without it.
The Cams were Degreed at 105 / 101
All the maps are here, make your own minds up.

1st Before and after
2nd TRE Comparison
3rd Receipt to prove work done
Do you know what your piston to valve clearance ended up with that 101 number? At 103.5 with the thinner gasket mine ended up dead on .040... I would like to run 101 if I thought I could gt away with it.. But, typically .040 is the min for a street motor.
 

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Do you know what your piston to valve clearance ended up with that 101 number? At 103.5 with the thinner gasket mine ended up dead on .040... I would like to run 101 if I thought I could gt away with it.. But, typically .040 is the min for a street motor.
Hi Gunner, I'm sorry I cant give you an exact answer, tried to ring my engineer but he was unavailable, so spoke to the other engineer there and he said something is very wrong if you only have .040 clearance after only using a thin gasket.
If you have d'loaded the racing kit manual (available on this site) it lists the gaskets you can use, and then goes on to say you can skim the head to loose another 0.4 mm (so my interpretation is you should have your gasket width clearance PLUS 0.4 mm to play with) unless you already skimmed the head. Also I would guess that the difference in the lobe height between 101 degrees and 103.5 (=2 1/2 degrees) is gonna be so tiny as to be neglible.
As I mentioned I am a total novice with this stuff, but there are some excellent guys on this site who will be able to solve your issue without even breaking a sweat, they do this stuff so often it's 2nd nature to them, try pm'ing garth285, he's probably lost count as to how many heads he's worked on.
Good luck bud, hope you get good results cos it really is worth the pain, the grin factor on your face when you go for that 1st ride afterwards is priceless.
Cheers Ergo
 

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I am surprised quinch isn't tighter than that. .04 is ideal for a rough motor like a small block chevy. Lets you run higher compression with out knock.
 

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Don't get me wrong my motor makes 174 SAE. I wanted the 101 number to move the power around some. My motor has been together since spring 06 and is still strong.. Also look closely at my first post. I said .040 not .4mm. However I didn't say .040" and that's probably where the confusion happened. My bad.... .040 equals 1.0mm... The race manual actually states that something like .028" is OK. But basically all engine builders like to have .040 for a street driven motor. Although on the exhaust the piston is actually chasing the valve closed I can see where closer would be a little more safe for the exhaust.

The numbers that floated around when everyone was doing the Race intake cam and thin head gasket on the 1 gen was 107 / 104.. I tried those numbers and they sucked ASS.. The motor had no bottom end power and was very long legged. Not good numbers for the street. They may possibly work on a race motor kept at very high revs constantly.
 

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I am surprised quinch isn't tighter than that. .04 is ideal for a rough motor like a small block chevy. Lets you run higher compression with out knock.

The quinch is tight on these but the issue is piston to valve. Moving the cams gives more or less in this area. It's possible to have a mile of quinch and put the cams in one tooth off and still hit the piston.. So when everything is tight like the 10R motor moving the cams 1 or 2 degrees really tightens up the Piston to valve numbers.
 

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Ivan's TRE does NOT use 4th gear.
Correct :thumbsup: some need to read Stickys around here :idea:

http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=41297
My mistake !! :badteeth: sorry for the laziness...:badteeth:
I thought I read somewhere it was the 4th and not the neutral.

Ok.. I don´t have a tre, and don´t have the secondaries nor its shaft either, so I don´t bother pretty much ( nothing..) about it LOL

What I do not undestand is why it promotes a couple extra hp up top if the secondaries are completely open (up top) whichever the gear...?

I am so skeptical about the neutral ignition map outperforming the upper gears maps..

I can guess (at first sight) that the bike will run leaner on the dyno in neutral (ivan´s tre) than in 4th gear map (no ram induction).

If the bike is tuned in 4th gear (no tre) then how will it react when tre is on? Someone has the answer or this remains a mystery?

IF the bike is tuned with tre (neutral map), switching the tre off and dynoing in 4th gear might make the bike run richer enough to loose some hp (2-3hp..?)
 
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