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Well can someone honestly tell me about power wheelies/clutch wheelies on the third gen bike with stock gearing...something must be out of whack because i read numerous post about people pulling wheelies through most of the gears using only power...well, my third gen does it in first but not very well, cant get it up in second and obviously in no other gear...im not really askign about the wheelies as much as im trying to figure out if my bike is runnign lean or rich or if my map is just bad, although the bike has always felt like this...Any tips help would be appreciated..

BTW 2008 ZX10r>akropovik CF /w link pipe, pc3, kn street filter
 

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Pull many wheelies? This your 1st bike? It's more in the technique than anything...that 08 should have more then enough to wheelie whenever your heart desires! My 05 will wheelie right up to 6th lol
 

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Also add Ivan's TRE... increase the OS factor for the first few rides on a totally stock bike..
Be careful, Ive had my front come up powering out of corners or some tail slide on many occasions....
 

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Its funny that you mention it because my 1st Gen is the same way. Gotta preload to get it up in first even. I know part of my problem is being at 5,000ft elevation, but i also believe that my custom map may also be jacked.....seems like i just have a lot of hesitation before it wants to open up, like its running really rich at anything other than full throttle.

Edit: forgot to add that i'm even +2 in the rear
 

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Might be a dumb but I've always wondered how much seating position effects power wheelies. I'm 190 pounds and I ride damn near on top of the tank, yoshi slip on, -1,+3 with riflemans mod on a 1st gen and I can just barely pull out a 2nd gear power wheelie.
 

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Im glad to hear that others see this too. My bike is stock gearing, PCIII usb with custom map 08 intake cam degreed in at 107/103, thin head gasket .45
it went from 155 on an AMA tuner dyno to 165-168. So its pretty dead on what should be expected - pulls like a freight train, BUT with me on it, the
bike rarely will wheelie under motor in 2nd gear - although it did it in the dead of winter unexpectedly (I guess due to cold weather making best conditions). I've raced Built R1's dynoed at AMA tuner Chris Jones (He built and tuned Ricky Gadstons 660hpwr bike) and beat those soundly - so I know the bike's fast and a true 160. Here's the catch - my buddy weighing in at 225 (me at 140) cant keep my 10 down in 3rd gear - ive seen it wheelie when he shifted into 3rd right beside me while I raced on his R1 - I think heavier riders shift more weight to the rear of the bike like a See-Saw and it wheelies better. Here's another catch - I also own a 2003 R1 - dynoed on same dyno at 140's and it will wheelie over in 2nd gear every time no problem - Yet my 10 put down 160's on same dyno and just skips the front tire in 2nd gear. So its just how the 10's are. :hello:
 

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wow interesting...
Im having a hard time keeping it down ESP on low fuel... i did a horrible shift from 2nd to 3rd once and it was up so fast that I thought I was going over...
Given my friends 05 R1 is more inclined to wheelie but i thought is was due to the slightly shorter wheel base.. but i could be wrong...
how is your suspension setup? Stock. If so it might be to soft for you. I had my suspension setup for my weight and it was like a new bike, rode a little higher thus shifting the center of gravity a little.
now when i go heavy on the gas i get little butt sag but the front comes up easily even when leaning forward..

my bike dyno'ed @ 155HP and 78 Torque that's bone stock.
 

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I don't get this - when my Gen3 was stock, and I'm 6'1", 188, and sit up at the tank leaning forward, I couldn't keep the front end down in 1st, 2nd, & 3rd (this around 115-125 mph). The bike would finally come down around 125 mph (all roll on throttle).

You should try some mods starting with 1/5th throttle insert (and turn it to full throttle - you'd be surprised as I did - I wasn't turning it all the way to full). I now have lower gears (-1 +2), power commander, pipe of course, air filter, remove secondaries, and smog block off to name a few. Each mod was a big increase and it's just a beast right now - unbelievable difference vs. stock.
 

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i weigh 220 and my 04 will raise in first and second power wheelies and in third clutch it up no prob and its all stock :thumbsup: so i really dont know how people are haveing trouble wheeling the 10r:dontknow: when i first got it it scared me lots of times from me just nailing it and it comeing up on me i think i was just use to my little R6
 

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what RPM are you at when your rolling on the throttle. my 05 is a dog below 6k. any time around 8k i hammer it i better be holding on and covering my rear brake. i have stock gearing and its lowered , it still comes up by just throttling up
 

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My 3rd Gen would come up under WOT in 1st and very very rarely 2nd... I wouldn't worry about it, it depends on a lot of factors, weight and suspension count for a lot IMO.
 

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why would you complain i wish my bike would stay down. it would be nice not have to worry about flipping over all the time.lol oh and i am 5'7 and 160lbs and i ride on the back of the seat with my face in the tank
 

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Like many of you have already posted, Like you I could not bring the front wheel either on my 3rd Gen. The way I see it I would like to know the balance point and the possibility \ conditions that would cause the front wheel to go air born. I have all the mod Ivan's, PCIII, TRE, 1/5, -1 front, ohlin Suspension. I just feel more comfortable in a corner than going down the street on one wheel. I might eve admit the I turn up a noses to those who can wheelie just because I can't. But I glad for this thread.
 

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Learn to ride lol lol...

3rd gen owner, stock gearing! :thumbsup:

1st,2nd,3rd no clutch.:mrgreen:

1st just flick the wrist and fly
2nd rev from 6-7000, drop the nose, dump the throttle...Should come up nice and easy!
2nd gear stand up= 50-6500 rev, drop the nose/dump off the throttle, pump the pegs,dump the throttle and she will stand right up and ride all day!
3rd gear, I cant get it up sitting down. Only stand ups at about 6200-7000...Revs sit high inless you dump the clutch!

Give me a shout...I can even pull them up in 4th without the clutch

09 zx10r NOT STOCK :helmet:

ps Dont feel bad, I have own mult. liters and this is by far the hardest bike to wheelie. Very top heavy and sits really high.

Like many of you have already posted, Like you I could not bring the front wheel either on my 3rd Gen. The way I see it I would like to know the balance point and the possibility conditions that would cause the front wheel to go air born. I have all the mod Ivan's, PCIII, TRE, 1/5, -1 front, ohlin Suspension. I just feel more comfortable in a corner than going down the street on one wheel. I might eve admit the I turn up a noses to those who can wheelie just because I can't. But I glad for this thread.


Bro I'm a track guy; but I like to know everything and anything...Plus a couple years back I had a 071krr for the track that I beat the hell out of...

Like I said, the 3rd gen is the hardest bike I have own to bring the wheel up on!:wink: Has a very weird balance point!
 

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Adprep- You should get some viagra for that 3rd gear problem. Can't get it up when your sitting down? :lol:


But seriously, I wish mine didn't wheelie so much. Regardless of wacking the throttle, rolling into it, etc- the damn front wheel is an anti-gravitational device. It's very un-nerving since it lifted the wheel on me a while back when I was coming out of a turn. I screwed up bad since I wasn't expecting it and my wheel wasn't quite right when it came down.... Tank-slap galore when a landed. My friggin brakes were wierd for a few pumps after. Atleast I didn't drop it but it's always good to remember what banshees we are riding...
 

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The way I see it I would like to know the balance point and the possibility conditions that would cause the front wheel to go air born. I have all the mod Ivan's, PCIII, TRE, 1/5, -1 front, ohlin Suspension.
Balance point: Mine has a shorter wheel base now due to being +2 (43 tooth) in the rear with stock chain, and the chain and rear tire are as far in as it goes - even had to move the front wheel back slightly to account for the 43 tooth. But let me tell you, I love it, not that it comes up easy, but cornering seems much better than the stock wheelbase. Remember, the Gen3 has a longer wheelbase than Gen1 & Gen2, which could be why it's harder to wheelie.

If you want more wheelie ability and get into corners quicker, than go +2 up in the back - brings the rear wheel forward. I put mine next to a 600rr and the wheelbase looks about the same, maybe slightly shorter than the 600.

why would you complain i wish my bike would stay down. it would be nice not have to worry about flipping over all the time.lol oh and i am 5'7 and 160lbs and i ride on the back of the seat with my face in the tank
mods - start with sprockets
 

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Im really trying to gauge my engine to see if everything is running ok, not necessarily trying to do wheelies seemed like an easy comparison for example if everyone else's 10 could power up in 2nd or whatev then maybe something wrong with bike..map,fuel pump ect....my bike pulls just dont think it pulls hard enough
 

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Im really trying to gauge my engine to see if everything is running ok, not necessarily trying to do wheelies seemed like an easy comparison for example if everyone else's 10 could power up in 2nd or whatev then maybe something wrong with bike..map,fuel pump ect....my bike pulls just dont think it pulls hard enough
I think you're probably on to something. Stock, mine would not come up in 2nd until around 8,000-10,000 rpm, which is 90-100mph.

I did a lot of mods but three of them created a very lean state (air fuel mixture - too much air and not enough fuel to match). These are exhaust, smog block, and secondaries removed, which all allow for more air flow. Even with all of these, it would still not pull up in 2nd until the upper power band. It wasn't until I added fuel to the map (which you can do that with a power commander or juice box) - that did it. Now, taking off from a stop light, it's coming up at 5,500 in first (about 1/3rd throttle), I shift to second, then twist to about 1/2 throttle and its coming up again just across the other side of the intersection around 6,000 (and it will continue off the ground if I add more ongoing throttle).

So it's probably nothing wrong with your bike. I suspect it just needs a few mods - more air flow (in and out) and fuel to the mix.
 
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