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Im going to the dyno on the 17th with these mods. [email protected] filter, gutted cats and [email protected] race baffles in the stock cans. The elevation where I live is 2700ft. My question is should I buy a power commander before I go or just dyno now and see how it turns out? Im really hoping for a good solid curve with these mods. Bike pulls very strong. Its also geared down two teeth in the front. Dont know if that will affect anything. I have a 16 tooth and 17 also. Any advice is appreciated.

Ps. I ride the shit out of this bike and plan on drag racing it as much as possible. Track days too if possible.
 

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uh. who cares? just dyno it as is? you're looking for a number which is ridiculous what does 155 feel like versus 160. honestly. what would you do differently if you're bike made 154 versus 161. I know buy a power commander, akro and dyno tune to say it does 160+.

NOW -- If you're racing it - that's a whole different ball game.

these number games kill me.
 

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Get the power commander it's a night a day difference with the right map!
 

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tlfreek said:
uh. who cares? just dyno it as is? you're looking for a number which is ridiculous what does 155 feel like versus 160. honestly. what would you do differently if you're bike made 154 versus 161. I know buy a power commander, akro and dyno tune to say it does 160+.

NOW -- If you're racing it - that's a whole different ball game.

these number games kill me.
The number doesnt really matter as much as knowing if it will help to have the power commander or not. With these mods is the power commander really needed?????????????? and will it add hp or make the curve stronger. Every dyno is different and realize that. Just asking for advice not for someone to treat me like an idiot.
 

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Get the pcIII. Because you're at elevation, you will feel a noticeable difference than if you had not got the pcIII. I'm at 4500' elevation and I deffinately needed it. Especially after I did some mods.
 

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If your like everybody else on this site....your at the start of a list of very cool, go fast, look good mods.The power commander is a must have down the list.
 

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driver311 said:
The number doesnt really matter as much as knowing if it will help to have the power commander or not. With these mods is the power commander really needed?????????????? and will it add hp or make the curve stronger. Every dyno is different and realize that. Just asking for advice not for someone to treat me like an idiot.
OK - [sarcasm and idiot remarks removed] i would do nothing at this point; however when you start racing start modding it to include an aftermarket exhaust system (full) as well as a PCIII.

Not sure what a PCIII would do for a stock system, although one of the responses said that you would receive some benefit considering the elevation which you live at.
 

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i think with a gutted out cat, modified stock exhaust and a k & n you should be over 120 hp. maybe even 155.
a power commander will smooth out any flat spots and also keep your air/fuel ratio where it should be. if you mod a motorcycle the first mod should be a power commander then all the rest. how do you think it is ok to change how much air comes in and goes out without changing the fuel?

go dyno it and see if you are happy, if the air/fuel is ok go with it.
just remember that you SHOULD change the rear tire after dyno runs. that is highly recommended by most dyno manufactures.


also next time before you turn into an internet tough guy/asshole to forum members remember there is a search button
 

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A PCIII added to the system would help a bike in any configuration. Having the ability to straiten out the fuel curve to a near perfect AF ratio will always help. There's absolutely NO WAY Kawasaki can take every situation into account when they design the fuel maps. They get the bikes close and hope for the best. They'll be closer for some than others. You may not pick up a ton of power but you throttle response will be greatly improved upon. Anytime that fuel curve line spikes a peak or vally it's NOT good for driveability or power delivery. A smooth strait fuel curve is always best and NOT something that can be achieved without a way to access the ECU and tune the bike. That's what the PCIII is for...........
 

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Gunner said:
A PCIII added to the system would help a bike in any configuration. Having the ability to straiten out the fuel curve to a near perfect AF ratio will always help. There's absolutely NO WAY Kawasaki can take every situation into account when they design the fuel maps. They get the bikes close and hope for the best. They'll be closer for some than others. You may not pick up a ton of power but you throttle response will be greatly improved upon. Anytime that fuel curve line spikes a peak or vally it's NOT good for driveability or power delivery. A smooth strait fuel curve is always best and NOT something that can be achieved without a way to access the ECU and tune the bike. That's what the PCIII is for...........
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...even a bone stock bike will benefit from a proper fuel map. Even on a modified bike, the PC is more for driveability than adding hp. With or without a PC, todays bikes will make about the same power even if you add a full system. The PC makes the power better and extracts those last couple hp from the bike.
 

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driver311 said:
The number doesnt really matter as much as knowing if it will help to have the power commander or not. With these mods is the power commander really needed?????????????? and will it add hp or make the curve stronger. Every dyno is different and realize that. Just asking for advice not for someone to treat me like an idiot.
PC,USB III is the way to go no matter what your mods are..:1848:
 

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i think with a gutted out cat, modified stock exhaust and a k & n you should be over 120 hp. maybe even 155.
a power commander will smooth out any flat spots and also keep your air/fuel ratio where it should be. if you mod a motorcycle the first mod should be a power commander then all the rest. how do you think it is ok to change how much air comes in and goes out without changing the fuel?

go dyno it and see if you are happy, if the air/fuel is ok go with it.
just remember that you SHOULD change the rear tire after dyno runs. that is highly recommended by most dyno manufactures.


also next time before you turn into an internet tough guy/asshole to forum members remember there is a search button
Its funny that no matter what forum your on someone always knows best. Thanks bud Ive never heard of the search button. Ill have to try that someday. Though I didnt see any threads with the same question I asked. To everyone who answered the question thanks for the help. Im gonna dyno the bike the way it is and go from there. They are gonna map out my afr's and see where I sit. If things dont look right the pc is not hard to come by.
 

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to get a true air/fuel reading for that make sure they block off the KLEEN system hose before they measure it, or you'll get incorrect readings Have fun
 

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regardless of elevation and what mods, the stock map on the stock bike is not ideal either. ANY bike will get the same benefits from mapping regardless of mods. Besides peak power you will get smoother throttle, harder drive off corners, more power from lower in the rpm etc etc. There's far more to the point of mapping your bike than a peak h.p fugire. If that is all it was for, I wouldn't bother with it. But I would always get my bike mapped knowing what it DOES do and how much better it is.
 

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help 4 you

didn't say i knew best just trying to help you out. here is the search results for power commander http://zx-10r.net/forum/search.php?searchid=330895&pp=25. here are a few threads that have the same style questions for you too, maybe some of the info on these past threads will help you make a decision on what is best for you.
1. http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=24744&highlight=power+commander
2. http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21526&highlight=power+commander
3. http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17408&highlight=power+commander
4. http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19700&highlight=power+commander
5. http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19810&highlight=power+commander
6. http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12247&highlight=power+commander
7. http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8695&highlight=power+commander
8. http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=677&highlight=power+commander
9. http://zx-10r.net/forum/showthread.php?t=606&highlight=power+commander

there you go. good luck on the dyno!!!!!bring out the hp!!!!!!!!!!1





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Its funny that no matter what forum your on someone always knows best. Thanks bud Ive never heard of the search button. Ill have to try that someday. Though I didnt see any threads with the same question I asked. To everyone who answered the question thanks for the help. Im gonna dyno the bike the way it is and go from there. They are gonna map out my afr's and see where I sit. If things dont look right the pc is not hard to come by.
 

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I suggest you get the power commander. Do you want a half assed bike? Tune it in perfect bro!:thumbsup: custom map that thang!
 
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