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hell yea!!!!!!!! finally someone with some credit (other than Mladin) has said what they feel. This report is spot on to me, and i appreciate him being quiet as long as he has, giving the DMG the benefit of the doubt to prove themselves.

it hurts to see a guy like Schwantz say that we are the laughing stock of the racing community, because i know how much talent there is out there and now that is all being stifled by guys in suits who dont know anything about the sport we all love.
 

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That was good and very diplomatic.

If that is what a D grade looks like though, I don't want to see an F.
I think he was being nice with a D but still pointed out that D isn't a passing grade.
 

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That was good and very diplomatic.

If that is what a D grade looks like though, I don't want to see an F.
I think he was being nice with a D but still pointed out that D isn't a passing grade.
Maybe he's giving them some credit for creating closer racing. I've not liked the format since the beginning (which I've stated many times on this forum), but even I'll admit it's more entertaining than it would have been with mladin just destroying everyone by 20 secs or more. Without spies, no one is in his league, even on the same bike. Still, being more than just the casual race fan, I did enjoy the trickness of a true factory superbike and appreciated the level of skill it took to ride one well past it's potential. I wish the other manufacturers and riders would have "stepped it up" rather than neutering the suzukis. Overall I'll agree with schwantz 100%, giving dmg a letter's grade worth of credit for closer racing.
 

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Im glad someone other than Mladin has the balls to speak out about it..
:+1: I haven't liked this DMG charade since Day 1, so it's awesome to hear a legendary racer (thats still involved) talk and explain how bad this really is. Hopefully now, Rainey, K Roberts Sr., and so on will also put in their .02.
 

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Im glad someone other than Mladin has the balls to speak out about it..
Not saying it's been a rosy season for a 1ST TIME YEAR producer but come on we all know Kevin is a Suk guy supporting Mladin for skipping out.....and I don't want to hear Kevin knows bests and has no temper I would expect ALL to say the same thing from every CAMP...I seen that Guy(Kevin) live in England when he used to race MotoGP and when he wrecked I would have sworn by his actions it was DMGs fault back then even though it didn't exist yet:lol:...he also reminds me of Mladin. :badteeth:

My point is we need the other Camps and NON front runners speaking up not the Guys with interests in other places like just their loyalty to 1 TEAM. :wink:
 

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My point is we need the other Camps and NON front runners speaking up not the Guys with interests in other places like just their loyalty to 1 TEAM. :wink:
True, I'll give you that. I'm not a Suzuki fan at all, but I guess more voices are needed to make it stick.
 

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Right on Kevin. He may be a Suzuki guy but even they know how bad DMG has been this year. It sucks. They have downsized the AMA instead of growing it. Manufactures are dropping out and classes are being cut. Rolling starts in the 600 class, come on other countries are laughing at us. DMG = motorcycle racing at its worst. DMG will probably have them on oval tracks if some doesn't take over!
 

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DMG=D is generous. But it is good to hear other people bitching about the messes made this season from DMG's foolishness.
 

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Not saying it's been a rosy season for a 1ST TIME YEAR producer but come on we all know Kevin is a Suk guy supporting Mladin for skipping out.....and I don't want to hear Kevin knows bests and has no temper I would expect ALL to say the same thing from every CAMP...I seen that Guy(Kevin) live in England when he used to race MotoGP and when he wrecked I would have sworn by his actions it was DMGs fault back then even though it didn't exist yet:lol:...he also reminds me of Mladin. :badteeth:

My point is we need the other Camps and NON front runners speaking up not the Guys with interests in other places like just their loyalty to 1 TEAM. :wink:
Here's your man spies opinion on the matter. He's not a suzuki rider, probably does not love mladin, and doesn't even race the series. Posted is his response to a dmg question and link to the interview.

Q You've mentioned DMG a couple of times. For a world-caliber rider, or a rider looking to make his mark on the World Championship, you absolutely left America at the right time. You couldn't have timed that any more perfectly.


A "I saw that, and I just turned the TV off. Because the four-cylinders, they need some nitrous buttons, they need a Sneaky Pete system, to get some power on the straightaway."
It's definitely been a big change for a lot of people. I just ... I can't even make the right comments I want to make about it. But it would be one of those things, I don't even know if I'd be wanting to race, if I was back here, with just some of the things I've seen. It just makes it harder for the young guys to come up and get out of there, the way I know that people are on the world scale (are) looking at it. The pace car incident that I heard about, that almost put a few people in the hospital, was - that was pretty ridiculous.
I actually watched, the first race I've watched, really, all year, was the Topeka Sport Bike race. I don't know if it's called Sport Bike or Top Bike whatever, but the one that Eslick and Cardenas are in. I watched Cardenas ride that thing, and this is nothing against - it's nothing against Buell, and it's nothing against Danny (Eslick), but it's definitely against regulations and rules and what should be legal and shouldn't be. I watched Cardenas come flying into the last corner, get the better of the two drives, and Danny was 20 bike-lengths back, and halfway down the straight, Martin looked back trying to judge which way he was going to go so he could block him.

It'd be safe to say that 15 bike-lengths, for sure, were being made up on that one straightaway by the Buell. Not the back straightaway, but just the front straightaway. If that race is 22 laps, or however many laps it was, and you're gaining 15 bikes a straightaway, that's pretty much a free straightaway by the end of the race, and how many seconds is that? And that's just the front straightaway. It was crazy. It was 15 to 20 bike-lengths every time they hit the front straightaway, and that's just that part of the track. If you add that up over a race distance, you should be winning the race by over ten seconds. It's nuts.

Q It's a mockery.

A I saw that, and I just turned the TV off. Because the four-cylinders, they need some nitrous buttons, they need a Sneaky Pete system, to get some power on the straightaway. Man, I don't know. But again, Danny, they let it to be legal, and he's riding it. And he's doing what anybody else would do. But just the way the rules are, that bike should not be in that class. You've got the same bike, with a couple little mods, the same displacement, that's competitive against 1000s. So go figure.


http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Aug/090812spiesinterview.htm

Here is Niel Hodgson's remarks and link to interview. He's not a suzuki rider. He's not as critical, but still clear on the fairness of dmg.

Q What are your thoughts on the series?

A Well, the racing's been better, really. I've got to say it was frustrating seeing the dominance of the Suzukis for the entire time I've been here in America. That's all I've ever seen. And I've hated that. Whatever you say about anything, everybody's definitely closer to the Suzukis. Mat. And obviously, when Ben was here. We are closer, and there is more of a race going on. And I mean, it's a joke, lots of it's a joke, lots of it's frustrating and disappointing. But if it can continue to improve the racing, then it can only help. That's the way I see it. I knew when DMG took over, it was going to take a long period of time to get it right. And I didn't think it would affect my career. I thought I'll be probably retired by the time they get it sorted out. I don't get involved with all the Buell rules and all that lot. I read about it on all the websites, and find it interesting. And obviously, what's my opinion on it? Well, it's ridiculous, you know. But I don't understand why the manufacturers who've supported this championship so well for so long, the main manufacturers, have been treated so poorly, and then a manufacturer like Buell seems to have had the red carpet laid out for them. Which doesn't make any sense to me, but ... who knows.


http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Aug/090803hodgsonintervi.htm

BTW, I think Schwantz, like Mladin would have said the same thing no matter who was signing his paycheck.
 

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Racing is about competition. Fair and enforceable rules to allow teams to develop their equipment to beat their competitors. When you watch a racer doing everything he can (Mladin at Road America and Gardenas at Topeka), riding above his limit and pushing as hard as he can then get smoked halfway down the straightaway you know the rules are unfair. Maybe it's exciting to the uninformed, but for a racer it sucks big time. Riding hard and taking risk is what racing is about. The downside is racing on courses that allow little room for error. Matt Mladin wasn't "skipping out", he was making a statement for the entire Ama community that probably fear retaliation for any comment or actions that appear detrimental to the sport. Mladin has nothing to prove and figures there's no point riding his heart out to finish 2nd. I'm sure the Ama has taken his motivation to a new low point and retirement now looks good. Other than Jamie Hacking (who's turned into one of the best roadracers here in the states), all the "big name riders" decided to race: oh well. It's all about fairness and that doesn't seem to exist in the Ama/Dmg world. The manufactures who supported the racing (for their own reasons for sure) are gone/leaving and if you like v-twins you'll be happy. To see Pegram hold off racers with far more talent (no offense to him, he's a complete racer but no Mladin, Hayden etc) speaks volumes about the state of the Ducati effort and where the 4 cylinders are in their tuning development. Thank god for BSB, WSBK, and Motogp (yeah 17/18 riders, but there's Valentino!). Oh yeah: Schumacher's coming back to Formula 1 (talk about rules!)
You gotta love the rolling starts (Nascar here we come!) and pitting after a crash (rider isn't smart enough to figure his bike is unridable/unsafe with no clip-on) to kill any chance to get some points (famous guys always get some points). Roadracing in the states is in it's "Golden era" and next year should be even better!
 

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I know a lot of people in the AMA paddock, including most if not all of the factory teams, as well as a lot of privateers. It is universally agreed that this year is a complete cluster F.
 
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