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What is everyones views on riding corners in terms of where is your comfort zone, have certain things improved your confidence over the years and what are these and has your confidence improved, even though streets or roads are more dangerous how have you applied track experience to on road conditions, do you feel comfortable on twisty roads in all situations familiar and unfamiliar roads? Also what are your views generally on how to handle corners especially entry into corners where you can't see the severity of the corner. Obviously mindset plays a big role and confidence also, what have been big mistakes while out on winding road sections etc. etc. Sure spped is a big contributing factor to mistakes...............................

Just trying to get more of a feel as to what everyones take on this subject is?
 

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I have applied my track experience in the corners to the roads and streets. So much so that I no longer ride on the street. The track to the fun out of the streets and made me aware at how dangerous the streets are, especially corners on the street. I just wrecked at over 120mph lowsiding around a fast left on the track. After sliding and rolling around in the grass i got up with not even a scratch or a bruise. Not saying you cant get hurt on the track but I know I would be hurting if I crashed like that on the street.
 

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With say familiar surroundings knowing the conditions would you find cornering quicker easier, it makes sense it would, how do you handle unfamiliar tracks or roads etc?
 

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Maybe what Zega is searching for is some hints to make cornering easier for someone that is unsure or they may be a little scared of leaning in a corner. I know I find myself weary of leaning in the corners as I am unsure of myself and how far is safe to lean. I would love to do a track day or track school but I also don't want to lay my 10 down trying it. If I could afford a dirt cheap 600 that It wouldn't matter if I layed it down I would be all over going to a track. :dontknow:
 

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IMHO the track and the street are not the same.I would not ride on the street like I would ride on the track.I enjoy lightly spirted rides out to the coast and around northern Cal But It's enjoying the ride and buddie's not racing to many variables on the street:badteeth:
 

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Well, years ago, when I came off the street and on to the track, it is deffenetly a different world. And, YES, if you try to ride on the road like you ride on the track you will not live long or you will just deside to give up ridding on the road altogether. I still road on the street when I raced, because I commuted to work on my Concours. I still ride the Concours on the street and do some touring, and I usually take my ZX10R out on early Sunday mornings with the boys. We ride briskly, we "Ride The Pace" which is a mind set you get into, but you probably won't understand it or be able to maintain it if you haven't been riding for about 30 years or so. There are still hazards on the street and taking the speed part of your race track expereance to the road only makes it worse. Read Keith Codes Twist of The Wrist, and apply the 1 dollar rule to your riding on the street, as well as on the track. Giving up the street because of your expereance on the track is a waste of knolwlege that can be used to make street riding safer and more fun. Focused Consentration Is The Best Form Of Meditation.:zx_blk:
 

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Zega, a good book like Keith Code's "A Twist of the Wrist" would be a good starting place. I know how cool reading sounds when you could be out riding but that book (and many others like it) have so many golden nuggets of information in them that it is well worth the investment both in time and $$.
 

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Maybe what Zega is searching for is some hints to make cornering easier for someone that is unsure or they may be a little scared of leaning in a corner. I know I find myself weary of leaning in the corners as I am unsure of myself and how far is safe to lean. I would love to do a track day or track school but I also don't want to lay my 10 down trying it. If I could afford a dirt cheap 600 that It wouldn't matter if I layed it down I would be all over going to a track. :dontknow:
I guess what I am saying is dont try to find the limit on the street. Save that for the track. I would always be weary leaning much on the street regardless of what may seem safe as there are to many variables involved.
 

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Zega, a good book like Keith Code's "A Twist of the Wrist" would be a good starting place. I know how cool reading sounds when you could be out riding but that book (and many others like it) have so many golden nuggets of information in them that it is well worth the investment both in time and $$.
:+1: also a good idea.
 

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I seem to go through stages about a month ago we went up for a rally and went to a few passes there, probably the most hectic roads I have been on in terms of "winding" I felt comfortable, even though I didn't know the road, road at pace faster then the others but I was comfortable and felt well within my limits, had good lines and fealt comfortable at whatever lean I was at. Sure a lot of riding since then but then today I went out, not a very good road surface and dificult camber to certain corners but I felt so hesitant going into every freaking corner, despite this I got through every corner pretty comfortably and we were going at pace, so why this hesitation when it isn't necessary? Maybe I am constantly over concerned of what can go wrong if you loose concentration for a split second? As well as the unknown factor of what could be around the corner as well as how sharp the corner was?? :dontknow:
 

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I seem to go through stages about a month ago we went up for a rally and went to a few passes there, probably the most hectic roads I have been on in terms of "winding" I felt comfortable, even though I didn't know the road, road at pace faster then the others but I was comfortable and felt well within my limits, had good lines and fealt comfortable at whatever lean I was at. Sure a lot of riding since then but then today I went out, not a very good road surface and dificult camber to certain corners but I felt so hesitant going into every freaking corner, despite this I got through every corner pretty comfortably and we were going at pace, so why this hesitation when it isn't necessary? Maybe I am constantly over concerned of what can go wrong if you loose concentration for a split second? As well as the unknown factor of what could be around the corner as well as how sharp the corner was?? :dontknow:
I am the same way some days I am fine and other days could be the same road with same conditions and I am hesitant. I do find that if I am riding with someone new that I become more unsure of myself or it may be more unsure of what they are doing or how they will react, maybe I am not describing it right. I find myself more nervous/over thinking or something but other days I am relaxed and confident in my abilities. :dontknow:
 

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I seem to go through stages about a month ago we went up for a rally and went to a few passes there, probably the most hectic roads I have been on in terms of "winding" I felt comfortable, even though I didn't know the road, road at pace faster then the others but I was comfortable and felt well within my limits, had good lines and fealt comfortable at whatever lean I was at. Sure a lot of riding since then but then today I went out, not a very good road surface and dificult camber to certain corners but I felt so hesitant going into every freaking corner, despite this I got through every corner pretty comfortably and we were going at pace, so why this hesitation when it isn't necessary? Maybe I am constantly over concerned of what can go wrong if you loose concentration for a split second? As well as the unknown factor of what could be around the corner as well as how sharp the corner was?? :dontknow:
well i dotn blame you for feeling that way and really you should be cautious I think. Cause the streets are very uncertain. Better to be safe than over confident on the street I think.:dontknow:
 

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Not really asking how to go as fast as one would go on the track, but what could be learned on the track that would make cornering easier and not to over think ones abilities. Not sure I am making any sense.
 

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Not really asking how to go as fast as one would go on the track, but what could be learned on the track that would make cornering easier and not to over think ones abilities. Not sure I am making any sense.

Well I think you can learn how to be smoother and transition alot better as well as body position and what not. For me though riding on the track made me go slower and slower on the streets until I could no longer ride without being either a bit scared or bored.
 

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How does one pick up consistant lines on entering various corners that you have never ridden before and what approach do you use in terms of braking?
 

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How does one pick up consistant lines on entering various corners that you have never ridden before and what approach do you use in terms of braking?

well it takes time but certain corners take certain lines but once you learn proper lines every corner will become that much easier but still you may have to do that corner a few times before you are comfortable with it.
 

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I look over the road first and then back and ride the road. I have my suspesion fix some what. you can only take the stock set up so far. Tire pressure is a big thing for me.
 

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If you want to learn to turn really good and work on form without paying 100$+ to use the track find a huge empty parking lot with good cement and practice, watch out for parking spot lines at full lean they are fairly slick and oil spots.

OR if you feel like having a good chance of dying on your bike and love the risk go practice your form and turns to the same level you would on the track but on some twisty back roads and give us all a call when you break both your legs off from running into a guard rail after a simple low side.

Seriously though, I go and practice in parking lots all the time with my bike (I do ride the track alot still) because its just too expensive and im in the military I cant practice on the track all the time, I still run top 5 WERA East Novice times on all the tracks I hit on a 100% stock 600RR usually with take-offs. Practice makes perfect :eek:ccasion1
 

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Just cool it on the street/road/highway. There is no way or reason to try and list the variables, the surprise hazzards, or anything. There is no "line technique" or method of approaching a blind corner. It's a freakin blind corner, you don't know whats beyond what you can see. Ride for what you can see.

If you want to push the feel, do it where it's safe, the closed course track.
If that is inconvenient or too expensive, measure that against the cost of hospital bills and having your life turn to invalid status.
Russian Roulette is what your playing in denial of how the unknown is going to come out. I've seen too much carnage along the way, to suger coat this.
 
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