[danielondono]

ill start by saying I change my chain and sprocket -1 front stock rear and 520, went for a long ride a few months back and I noticed my bike slipping when at full throttle.
I adjusted me my clutch from the cable screw and it went away. Went to track yesterday and added 2 gallons of 100 gasoline lol and the mixed it with 93. only reason I'm mentions the gas is bc my friend said it would affect my engine and my have to do with my bike started slipping on 3rd gear when full throttle. I finished a session, when I came in I could smell the burn of the clutch. i decide to go for one last session turned my bike on tried to pull of from the garage and my bike turned off and the didn't want to start it sounds like when the battery is dead lol.

My question is would gas effect the clutch since the engine burning that fuel or the clutch was gonna go anyway.

I have about 15k miles on it. This happened yesterday I have not check the battery or fuses for the starting problem im more concern with my clutch lol and I have not opened my clutch either to see how bad it is lol.

Sorry for the long post. I know a few things about bike but not much.

 

[SkyDork]

Sounds like you have separate issues going on.

The starting issue is one thing and then the clutch slipping is another. The gas is unrelated to the clutch unless you're mixing it with the oil. That's pretty catastrophic.

The cable slack adjustment is more than likely the problem there. Or it's time for a new clutch. You weren't smelling the clutch burning, because it's a wet clutch spinning in oil inside a sealed engine. You were smelling something and thought it was the clutch.

Yes, running 100 octane gas will affect the engine. It shouldn't cause the clutch to slip since it is taking power away from the motor by doing that. With lower power from the 100 octane and still slipping the clutch, you've got clutch problems.

Troubleshoot the starting issue first. Then troubleshoot the clutch slipping. Then stop running that 100oct crap.

 

[Guarf]

If the clutch has slipped at full throttle, it is very likely that it has already been ruined ... it is enough to abuse 1 time to stop working properly.

Then stop running that 100oct crap.

Higher octane only generates more power when the engine is modified and needs greater resistance to detonation, doesn't it?

 

[SkyDork]

Higher octane only generates more power when the engine is modified and needs greater resistance to detonation, doesn't it?

Nope, and that's the myth. Higher octane doesn't generate any more power by itself. It is used in highly modified engines that are more prone to pre-ignition and detonation because of the modifications, like you said. But that is because the higher octane burns slower and produces less power by itself. It is the engine mods that make the power and need the higher octane.



You should run the lowest octane rating available that doesn't allow for detonation.

 

[danielondono]

Yes I added by mistake, I was talking to my friends while I pumped the gas and I saw the $20 and going up on the pump. I was like wtf is wrong with pump hahahaha.

Gonna start with the battery I did manage to push start it and stayed on so thinking is a bad battery hopefully.

Gonna open the clutch to see how burned it lol

 

[SkyDork]

Yes I added by mistake, I was talking to my friends while I pumped the gas and I saw the $20 and going up on the pump. I was like wtf is wrong with pump hahahaha.

Gonna start with the battery I did manage to push start it and stayed on so thinking is a bad battery hopefully.

Gonna open the clutch to see how burned it lol

OK, good! Using that by accident is one thing, but I was concerned you did that on purpose for a reason! :ayyy:


Dead battery from the sounds of it causing your starting problem. Make sure you properly set the slack in the clutch cable to eliminate that causing your slipping before tearing into it. And let us know if you're using some fancy adjustable clutch/brake levers on the bike. Those things can cause problems.

 

[danielondono]

I have the battery on a tender right now to see if i can bring it back to life if not then new battery it is. I have crg levers but just the levers not the adjuster and i have never had any issues with them, i notice the problem after i changed my front sprocket... which i adjusted and was fine till now and when i had the issue at the track i adjusted it as well to see it would work but then had the issue not starting. So once i get it started i will definitely test the slack and if it persist i will open the clutch thats my plan for now thanks for all the answers guys i appreciate it

Yes I added by mistake, I was talking to my friends while I pumped the gas and I saw the $20 and going up on the pump. I was like wtf is wrong with pump hahahaha.

Gonna start with the battery I did manage to push start it and stayed on so thinking is a bad battery hopefully.

Gonna open the clutch to see how burned it lol

OK, good! Using that by accident is one thing, but I was concerned you did that on purpose for a reason! <a href="http://Zx-10r.net/forum/images/smilies/smilies/ayyy.gif" border="0" alt="" title="ayyy" ></a>


Dead battery from the sounds of it causing your starting problem. Make sure you properly set the slack in the clutch cable to eliminate that causing your slipping before tearing into it. And let us know if you're using some fancy adjustable clutch/brake levers on the bike. Those things can cause problems.

 

[danielondono]

Okay battery on tender charged but still didnt work its clicking but nothing, i bought a new battery just put it on and nothing im just getting a clicking sound... what could it be starter relay? I checked fuses they are all good.

 

[SkyDork]

Okay battery on tender charged but still didnt work its clicking but nothing, i bought a new battery just put it on and nothing im just getting a clicking sound... what could it be starter relay? I checked fuses they are all good.

Is it clicking fast repeatedly each time the starter button is pressed? Or does it click one time each time the starter button is pressed?


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[danielondono]

Okay battery on tender charged but still didnt work its clicking but nothing, i bought a new battery just put it on and nothing im just getting a clicking sound... what could it be starter relay? I checked fuses they are all good.

Is it clicking fast repeatedly each time the starter button is pressed? Or does it click one time each time the starter button is pressed?


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Clicks once everything goes black and the comes back when i let go...

 

[SkyDork]

Clicks once everything goes black and the comes back when i let go...

OK then. That's a different symptom and useful when troubelshooting. That would indicate a starter motor issue or a grounding issue. The motor isn't rotating and it's dragging down the amperage trying to get it to turn. I'd tear into the starter motor at this point.



The starter itself may be shorting internally. A lot of times the carbon brushes deteriorate and the carbon dust builds up inside the unit. Depending on how much you can get into the motor, it's as simple as cleaning out the debris to allow the power to actually spin the motor without shorting out. Starter motor itself may have crapped out also.



The circuit is pretty simple. When the button is pressed, the relay clicks over to engage the starter motor with all the power draw going to it. Should be easy to figure out now with the focus on the starter itself.

 

[danielondono]

Clicks once everything goes black and the comes back when i let go...

OK then. That's a different symptom and useful when troubelshooting. That would indicate a starter motor issue or a grounding issue. The motor isn't rotating and it's dragging down the amperage trying to get it to turn. I'd tear into the starter motor at this point.



The starter itself may be shorting internally. A lot of times the carbon brushes deteriorate and the carbon dust builds up inside the unit. Depending on how much you can get into the motor, it's as simple as cleaning out the debris to allow the power to actually spin the motor without shorting out. Starter motor itself may have crapped out also.



The circuit is pretty simple. When the button is pressed, the relay clicks over to engage the starter motor with all the power draw going to it. Should be easy to figure out now with the focus on the starter itself.[/QUOTE



Okay thanks man ill take a look at that.

 

[axel_zlo]

Ugh, sorry to interrupt, a little bit of captain obvious here. Have you checked battery installation? I had similar symptoms back in the day when I installed my battery vise versa and spoiled the main 30A fuse and starter button gave me the same clicking sound (and also fuel pump started to pump backward )

It might also be the case if your clutch is burned and slipped because of high temperature and now it just cannot disengage properly. This way it would kick the bike forward though, so just disregard this one :eyecrazy:

 

[axel_zlo]

Also, you might want to check your relay. Battery shouldn't die that fast just because. But that's after you figure out the starting issue first.

 

[danielondono]

Fuses are fine, i checked them all. i changed the battery and the starter solenoid since i order the parts thinking it was that until i read here from mr sky that it sound like my starter motors and i still got nothing same click so its gotta be the starter motor i will check that one out and see what happens lol.

Also, you might want to check your relay. Battery shouldn't die that fast just because. But that's after you figure out the starting issue first.

 

[danielondono]

Starter motor is burned out and i have some burn spots on the clutch plates so i Will be replacing both... thank you guys for all the help

 

[SkyDork]

Starter motor is burned out and i have some burn spots on the clutch plates so i Will be replacing both... thank you guys for all the help

Thanks for the follow up after you got it figured out. The G4 starters have had a history of these types of things.