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Holy shit, Fang wrote a damn novel. He has a good point in there though, if yiu dont have electronics stopping you, its your brain. You have to truly get comfortable with it in your mind to let you pull the front and keep it there. The bike will wheelie, its a liter bike. I have the issue of my mind not letting me be ok with it, and Im not a road racer, or a fast track rider or even a fast drag racer. Im still learning to not chop throttle when the front pulls up on me, its just that you have to teach your mind to be cool with doinf it intentionally.
 

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Hey everyone, thanks for the replies. Yes I do have traction control off when I'm attempting this. I am gonna have to wait a few days to try again. I made the mistake of stopping for a cop, bike got impounded and I ended up in jail for the night lol no biggy tho. And okay, I know the bike will pop up, but I've read a lot that the gen 4's have a hard time getting up there, and that seems to be my problem. Like I said, I just got the bike not too long ago, and it had a lot of extras and goodies. Don't rip me for this, I'm just asking if this is a possibility, but I noticed one of the extras was a chain length adjuster. Could this be another thing holding me back from wheelies?
 

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chain length adjuster!!!!! Is this your first bike?? Unless its a shaft driven bike,they all have them and when i say all,even peddle bikes have chain adjustment..No chain length will not hold you back...Well maybe if your chain is so slack it totally skips over the sprocket or if its so tight the chain cant move..

Im thinking you should forget about pullin wheelies for now,learn about the bike and how to ride before you get funky..

" I noticed one of the extras was a chain length adjuster. Could this be another thing holding me back from wheelies".....Cant believe you asked that bud..
 

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I only weigh 145 lbs. Gen 4 does a good job keeping the front down at WOT in any gear. But it you hold it at 8k rpm in first and rip it. The front end should come up no problem. I've also came to the conclusion that us light weight guys cause it to spin more. Theres no weight in the back. For example a 130 lb guy vs a 200 lb guy. The force of the heavier guys weight is going on the rear shock putting more pressure on the back tire causing the front end to come up easier.
 

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Hey everyone, thanks for the replies. Yes I do have traction control off when I'm attempting this. I am gonna have to wait a few days to try again. I made the mistake of stopping for a cop, bike got impounded and I ended up in jail for the night lol no biggy tho. And okay, I know the bike will pop up, but I've read a lot that the gen 4's have a hard time getting up there, and that seems to be my problem. Like I said, I just got the bike not too long ago, and it had a lot of extras and goodies. Don't rip me for this, I'm just asking if this is a possibility, but I noticed one of the extras was a chain length adjuster. Could this be another thing holding me back from wheelies?
Let's clear things up here for a minute.....you're talking about aftermarket precision adjusters like LightTech or Gilles, correct? You're not confusing the chain adjusters for extension bars, right? No, the chain adjusters won't make a difference, but a 6" extension bar would.

Wheelie how-to:
1) Turn TC off
2) Get moving in 2nd gear at 65mph and approx. 8,000rpm
3) Sit up straight
4) Back off throttle
5) Quickly open throttle
6) Hold on as the earth rotates around the back wheel of the bike
 

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Let's clear things up here for a minute.....you're talking about aftermarket precision adjusters like LightTech or Gilles, correct? You're not confusing the chain adjusters for extension bars, right? No, the chain adjusters won't make a difference, but a 6" extension bar would.

Wheelie how-to:
1) Turn TC off
2) Get moving in 2nd gear at 65mph and approx. 8,000rpm
3) Sit up straight
4) Back off throttle
5) Quickly open throttle
6) Hold on as the earth rotates around the back wheel of the bike
LMAO and PLEASE cover your back brake. I think first you should practice barely bringing it up then hitting your back brake or something.

I feel like he is definitely going to loop it.
 

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Alright guys, yes it is aftermarket by lighttech(the chain adjuster) and no this isn't my first bike but my bike before this didn't quite have the power of a liter bike. It was a Suzuki gs500f, so it was Def nowhere near the power of a liter bike. And as I said in the first post, I wanted to learn a clutch up wheelie first because I personally would feel more comfortable and it is somewhat safer. The bike will go up a few inches on its own if I'm ripping through first, but I was looking to achieve more of a slower, controlled wheelie, and hopefully learn to bring it to balance point eventually.
 

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Alright guys, yes it is aftermarket by lighttech(the chain adjuster) and no this isn't my first bike but my bike before this didn't quite have the power of a liter bike. It was a Suzuki gs500f, so it was Def nowhere near the power of a liter bike. And as I said in the first post, I wanted to learn a clutch up wheelie first because I personally would feel more comfortable and it is somewhat safer. The bike will go up a few inches on its own if I'm ripping through first, but I was looking to achieve more of a slower, controlled wheelie, and hopefully learn to bring it to balance point eventually.
To each their own, I prefer throttling the front up. I think it comes up smoother and easier and gives you the practice for controlling the throttle like you need to. First gear is fun for me. I have no problem with controlling the throttle even with a quick turn throttle and +2R gearing in first gear. If you can modulate the grip properly, you'll gain the control needed for clutching them up at faster speeds.

Confucius say....man who clutches wheelies, breaks clutch baskets.

Walk before you run grasshoppa! The slow speed stunter stuff in the parking lots you're thinking about is much harder to do than a nice 50-80mph wheelie. At the higher speeds there's more gyroscopic stability from the spinning wheelies and the aerodynamic forces.
 

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I have the 2012 10R and I will tell you the traction control even set to #1 will not let you pop a wheelie bigger than a couple of inches off the ground. The traction control isnt just for spinning the rear wheel. It helps keep the front end down on hard accelerations. If you take off the traction control, not #1,2, or 3, but OFF, It will come up trust me. With out even using the clutch you can power them up at low/mid RPM's.
 

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Make sure you get plenty of heat into the tyre so you don't accidentally do a rolling burnout instead. Pretty much you accelerate for a second then chop the throttle to make the forks compress a bit then you do the clutching. Alternatively you can press down on the rear brake to compress the front as well, this is good practice as you want to cover the rear brake as it will save you when you get to high. Grip the tank tight with the knees and sit towards the back, arms should be relaxed. At least that's how i do it in second gear around 70 kph.
 

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Thanks guys for all the help. Finally started clutching it up, I'm getting about a foot up before it comes back down. Next step is to chase it out. What worked best for me was standing up and (this may sound weird) but popping the clutch twice. I'm assuming this is cause I'm still figuring out the rpm and throttle control for the wheelie, so on the second clutch up, the bike comes up smoother and easier since the rpms are already higher with the first clutch drop. Anyway I'm gonna keep practicing and start chasing it out, I'll keep you guys updated on my progress. Thanks everyone for the help! Ride safe bike fam
 

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Thanks guys for all the help. Finally started clutching it up, I'm getting about a foot up before it comes back down. Next step is to chase it out. What worked best for me was standing up and (this may sound weird) but popping the clutch twice. I'm assuming this is cause I'm still figuring out the rpm and throttle control for the wheelie, so on the second clutch up, the bike comes up smoother and easier since the rpms are already higher with the first clutch drop. Anyway I'm gonna keep practicing and start chasing it out, I'll keep you guys updated on my progress. Thanks everyone for the help! Ride safe bike fam
RIP clutch
 

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Full motor , Traction off, go 20 mph , flick clutch in rev to about 6-7 n let the clutch go ..... Got the same bike 2800 miles all stock except exhaust and she stands up likes it was nothing. I wouldn't rush it's not a joke to end up on your ass .....
 
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