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First off my computer knowledge is limited and I've tried to learn as much as I can while picking components, such as knowing what will work with what sort of thing. Max I'm willing to spend is $3000 including tax, shipping, etc... This is what I've come up with. Only thing I'm kind of set on is the CPU/MOBO but if you can recommend something better by all means. I wont be having it overclocked anytime soon until it really needs too be. With my current machine I only use a max of 4GBs of ram and I have 8GBs so I'll just start with that and add more when I need to. I chose a large PSU as I plan on adding addtional GPUs in the future when I need them. I figure the one I choose will cover my needs till it dies. I wanted a nice case but nothing to flash with sort of a timeless design that it very functional. I don't think I forgot anything but that's one of the reasons why I'm here. Major use will be BF3 and a little bit of video editing but nothing crazy.

CPU:
Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K $350
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116501

MOBO:
ASUS Maximus V EXTREME LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard $390
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131858

PSU:
Thermaltake Toughpower XT TPX-1275M 1275W ATX 12V 2.3 & SSI EPS 12V 2.92 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply $340
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817153156

RAM:
CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2X1600C7R $87
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233254

GPU:
GIGABYTE GV-N680OC-2GD GeForce GTX 680 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $510
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125422

Hard Drive:
Seagate Constellation ES ST1000NM0011 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Enterprise Hard Drive -Bare Drive $155
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148784

Optical Drive:
MSI 24X DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DH-24AS $23
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827100058

Case:
Corsair Graphite Series 600T CC600TM Mid-Tower Gaming Case $170
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139007

Grand Total is $2,020 before tax and shipping. What do you guys think? What would you change? I didn't choose a SSD don't know what to look for. Would I really benefit from one? If you can recommend a good one I'd be grateful.
 

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Looks good, overkill if anything IMO. However, I would highly recommend putting a SSD in there to run the OS and Apps. Then a cheaper 2TB to store videos, mp3s, pics, etc...

For recommendations, I've been running a Samsung 830 for several months now without ever having a hiccup. It has been rock solid. Don't get caught up thinking 128/256gb isn't enough... it is more than enough as long as you are putting your media on another/cheaper drive.

I know you said $3k max and the SSD won't push you over it, but it you want to keep it where you are you could def. change that mobo out for a little savings. There are some pretty decent options for Z77 chipset in the <$200 pricepoint.

Here is a good site reviewing some cheaper Z77 mobos: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-express-ivy-bridge-benchmark,3254.html
 

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what do you look for in a good SSD though. There the write and read speed and some brands are super high and others are low. Corsairs seem to be pretty high like in the 80,000+ IOPS range whereas Intel seems to be in the 40-50k range.
 

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what do you look for in a good SSD though. There the write and read speed and some brands are super high and others are low. Corsairs seem to be pretty high like in the 80,000+ IOPS range whereas Intel seems to be in the 40-50k range.
It depends on what you are going to use it for. If you will be loading the OS on it I go for reliability as the top priority. Outside of running benchmarks you will not notice a difference in the speeds between comparable drives. Out of the two I own (Samsung 830 and Crucial M4) the Samsung 830 has been more reliable and if I were to buy another today it would be another Samsung 830. I have seen the 128 go on sale for $89 at buy.com a couple weeks ago and the 256gb for $199. Watch slickdeals.net for deals on it.

The prices on drives has gone down tremendously. For under $1/gb the increased responsiveness of having one is silly not to take advantage of. For day to day surfing around, launching applications/games, load times, and just general usage there isn't a more noticeable upgrade you can do.
 

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Dear god. You should be able to download and watch porn at lightning speeds with that setup!
 

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Dear god. You should be able to download and watch porn at lightning speeds with that setup!
At that point i it would be the internet slowing it down. Not sure if you could even get fast enough internet to your house to be faster than that computer.

If i were in your position, and i had 3K to spend on a new computer, i would buy the new MacBook Pro Retina. The MBP has all of the stuff you need to game. I have last years lowest model 15" MBP, 2.0 GHZ I7 Quad core, 8GB ram, and plenty of other goodies, and i play a lot of games on here and never have any problems at all. The new one (Retina) is even more incredible. That screen is the highest resolution screen ever put into a laptop ever. AND you wouldnt have to worry about getting viruses from all the porn you will be watching.

AND just so you know, MOST of the new games coming out are actually being being created to take advantage of this beautiful screen.

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/06/11/diablo-3-updated-with-retina-display-support-for-next-generatio/

AND on top of all of that information, apple just builds better computers. The computers are built so solidly and has the best operating system out to back it.

ALTHOUGH if you don't want a laptop, and want a desktop, you can always go with an iMac, or even a Mac Pro and a really nice display. But if you are going to get one for gaming, there is nothing you can buy to beat that Retina display.

I am kind of an apple Guru, so if you have any questions about apples products, then you can PM Me and ask.
 

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i would also go with a full tower.. more room to add more fans and to do some more add ons :)
It's a pretty big case as is 23.30" x 10.40" x 20.00". I have seen this case in person too one of the reason why I chose it. If you're actually talking about something bigger care to show me? I originally was going to go with a mountains mod case but seems A little overkill. I have even thought of the case as more as an airbox too. The case already has some big fans in it and can accept quite a few more. I will also in the future build a enclosure for the tower with it's own air conditioner.

Dear god. You should be able to download and watch porn at lightning speeds with that setup!
I don't look at porn on my computer. It's been 10 months since I've been back on an actual computer and the worst virus I get are like tracking cookies.

At that point i it would be the internet slowing it down. Not sure if you could even get fast enough internet to your house to be faster than that computer.

Currently have a 20mbps internet connection speed which test at a solid 22mbps DL and 2mbps UL. I will be upgrading to my ISP's next available internet connection which is 50mbps and only an addition $15 a month.

If i were in your position, and i had 3K to spend on a new computer, i would buy the new MacBook Pro Retina. The MBP has all of the stuff you need to game. I have last years lowest model 15" MBP, 2.0 GHZ I7 Quad core, 8GB ram, and plenty of other goodies, and i play a lot of games on here and never have any problems at all. The new one (Retina) is even more incredible. That screen is the highest resolution screen ever put into a laptop ever.

My current computer is a laptop and it's very fast just the GPU is the weakpoint.

Intel I7 2670QM 2.2GHZ to turbo boost 3.1GHZ
Nvidia GeForce GT540M
8 GBs RAM
1TB hard drive


AND just so you know, MOST of the new games coming out are actually being being created to take advantage of this beautiful screen.

I'm currently using my TV which is a 42" Pioneer Elite 940HD-Pro which I still don't see a tv beating as far as quality even though it's really only got the output resolution of 720P. It'll accept a 1080P signal and will look slightly better than a 720P signal but you really really have to look for the differences. I will also be later going to a 3 40"-42" display setup, probably LED as OLED is out of my price range for that size and amount of TVs.


AND on top of all of that information, apple just builds better computers. The computers are built so solidly and has the best operating system out to back it.

I started on a mac back in like 95-96. My dad also owned/ran an IT and exclusively ran macs. He only had 1 pc that was offline and for accounting cause at the time the best accounting software was pc only.

I used to be very pro mac but that has changed considerably in the past few years. I don't like Apple anymore as it just feels too big brother. It's OS is very solid but I wouldn't buy Apple hardware anymore. What you get for the money isn't worth it in my opinion. The hardware available in the new mac book pro can found in PC laptop at almost 1/3 the price but what really seperates the mac book pro is the display but it isn't worth the extra money to me. Main thing is to me. If I were doing something more "professional" I would still use a custom pc but I would load system X on it.


ALTHOUGH if you don't want a laptop, and want a desktop, you can always go with an iMac, or even a Mac Pro and a really nice display. But if you are going to get one for gaming, there is nothing you can buy to beat that Retina display.

For dedicated gaming an Apple machine is never going to beat a PC at the same price point. It is too much a brand name anymore. This doesn't mean I think they're bad, I just feel like have capitalized on the marketing too much and not releasing what that really have so they can sell more product. I do some work for apple very so often and I hear things on more of a marketing level. They are still very much trying to offer more for the customer just what is on the market and what they use isn't the best. Why would they use just a GT chip on the highest mac book pro appose to a GTX? This is an actual question, there could be a reasonable answer but I don't know.

The Retina display as good as it is is pointless for the majority of users. Running 3 42" tvs hell even still my current 42" is more fun and useable that the great 15-17" monitor. Bigger is better in this case. When OLED TVs are more competitively priced I will probably switch out too those.
 

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"I'm currently using my TV which is a 42" Pioneer Elite 940HD-Pro which I still don't see a tv beating as far as quality even though it's really only got the output resolution of 720P. It'll accept a 1080P signal and will look slightly better than a 720P signal but you really really have to look for the differences."

I am guessing you have never seen a retina display. Lets take for example the new Retina Macbook pro. The resolution on that machine has over 2 million more pixels than a 1080P 55 inch TV. Just think about that when you are talking about the resolution. It is seriously mind blowing how incredible it is, and especially with how the graphics are getting in these new games, you are missing out on so much detail by not having a display like this.


I started on a mac back in like 95-96.

Yea, back then i would have been on a PC too. Mac's were terrible back then. But since about 2005, they have increased in overall quality.

I don't like Apple anymore as it just feels too big brother. It's OS is very solid but I wouldn't buy Apple hardware anymore.

What is wrong with the apple hardware? They don't want their customers to suffer through all of the problems with having this part from this company, and another part from another, and so on and so on. They put the best products they can into their products and stand behind them better than any company stands behind any product, not just computers.

What you get for the money isn't worth it in my opinion. The hardware available in the new mac book pro can found in PC laptop at almost 1/3 the price but what really seperates the mac book pro is the display but it isn't worth the extra money to me.

That is completely incorrect. If we arent talking about the retina display (Since no other computer company in the world even makes anything that compares) there is no way you can get the same hardware for 1/3 the money. I configured a 15" laptop with:
2.7GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.7GHz
750GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
A High Res 1,680-by-1,050 anti-glare display
8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM

All for about $2,340 plus tax. If you can find me a brand new computer that has the same hardware, for less than $800 i will be shocked. Actually you will probably spend close to $2k if you don't get the cheapest, very unreliable parts. And you have admitted that the OS is better, so for a machine that powerful, $350 is well worth the difference to get the better OS.


And to add the Retina screen, only costs $400 more. And i guarentee you that any brand new mac you would buy would last at least 75% longer than a comparable PC. PC's are just too vulnerable, and can't take the usage that macs can.

Oh and the deal breaker....... I have had my computer for over 18 months now, and i can still watch a full movie 2 hour movie on the battery, and when its over still have another hour or two of usage left. I have never even hear of anyone with a Windows machine that is over a year old that can even watch 3/4ths of a movie on the battery.

Hands down, apple puts better hardware in their machines, builds them better, warranty them better, and has a better OS.

Lets put it this way, in terms everyone can relate too...... Would you rather drive a Lamborghini that comes from he factory SICK AS HELL! OR a supped up Honda Civic that someone has throws enough money at that is can keep up, or maybe even beat the Lamborghini in a race? Yea the Civic will be less expensive, but who wouldnt take the Lambo over a civic?
 

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I dont know shit about computers, but after you build this thing I would recommend that you pick up a PowerCommander and have it tuned on a dyno
 

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I am guessing you have never seen a retina display. Lets take for example the new Retina Macbook pro. The resolution on that machine has over 2 million more pixels than a 1080P 55 inch TV. Just think about that when you are talking about the resolution. It is seriously mind blowing how incredible it is, and especially with how the graphics are getting in these new games, you are missing out on so much detail by not having a display like this.

You do realize after a certain point resolution doesn't really matter right? Look at SLR cameras. The retina display is good for lots of reasons but pure resolution doesn't matter. My dad has a Apple Thunderbolt Display 27" and my Plasma TV with less that half the resolution smokes it on every level ESPECIALLY colour.

Yea, back then i would have been on a PC too. Mac's were terrible back then. But since about 2005, they have increased in overall quality.

umm no they weren't. They just didn't have the support from software companies but the product was very good.

What is wrong with the apple hardware? They don't want their customers to suffer through all of the problems with having this part from this company, and another part from another, and so on and so on. They put the best products they can into their products and stand behind them better than any company stands behind any product, not just computers.

They put above average products not the best. I'm not saying there bad at all, it's at their price point it's fucking retarded.


That is completely incorrect. If we arent talking about the retina display (Since no other computer company in the world even makes anything that compares) there is no way you can get the same hardware for 1/3 the money. I configured a 15" laptop with:
2.7GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.7GHz
750GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200 rpm
A High Res 1,680-by-1,050 anti-glare display
8GB 1600MHz DDR3 SDRAM

All for about $2,340 plus tax.


I just did that exact same computer and it's $2,599 + tax. It's also the new as there are very few Ivy Bridge CPU laptops on the market right now. That price is fucking ridiculous for only a GT650M. Is it built well absolutely, Apple would go broke it they weren't reliable at that price. Apple I know for sure wont be cutting to many corner if any either. I'm sure they're running a very good PSU which would help with the battery life, but battery life is also dependent on how your machine is setup.


If you can find me a brand new computer that has the same hardware, for less than $800 i will be shocked.

With an Ivy Bridge CPU no. I was under the impression the old non retina display model was still using a Sandy Bridge CPU and in that case I absolutely can, I have it. It's been perfect. I haven't had a single problem with it in 10 months.

Mine current machine is a Asus Aspire 5755G-9417

Intel I7 2670QM 2.2GHz - 3.1GHz
Nvidia GT540M 2GBs
8 GBs DDR3 Ram (not sure which speed, probably 1333, maybe 1600)
1TB 7200RPM HDD

I paid $840ish for it With taxes. To be fair was an open box which saved 50 or 100 bucks I forget. Also to be further fair the Display doesn't have the colour like the apple screen but that's not why I got it. The hardware in it ESPECIALLY for it's price blows Apple out of the water. And at the time the top of the line Macbook Pro had the Same chip and full configured the same except I believe the Apple was using a GT555M was around 2,800. $2000 buys a lot of fucking parts. Yes apples laptop cases are OCD specials, I'm sure there at around $150-$200 right there and maybe a bit better of a fan and PSU I'll go on the high side and say that's an addition $400 over my asus. Hell I'll even give the apple another $400 for it's display. That would make my Asus $1840, say $1940 brand new no sealed box. Pay an extra $860 for a fucking fruit, fuck off.

And you have admitted that the OS is better

Excuse me no I didn't, don't read what isn't there. I said the OS is solid not better. It has it's pros and cons just like windows. Both have there faults. Windows in the past has been mostly shit but I have rather enjoyed windows 7 and really can't complain about anything with it.


And to add the Retina screen, only costs $400 more. And i guarentee you that any brand new mac you would buy would last at least 75% longer than a comparable PC. PC's are just too vulnerable, and can't take the usage that macs can.

wtf are you talking about? Now-a-days Mac has very little hardware advantage. Macs and PCs generally both use Intel chips and Nvidia cards. They aren't specially made for them. There not Ducati ordering ohlins. Most Mac users are also mature unlike PC users, that makes a massive difference.

Oh and the deal breaker....... I have had my computer for over 18 months now, and i can still watch a full movie 2 hour movie on the battery, and when its over still have another hour or two of usage left. I have never even hear of anyone with a Windows machine that is over a year old that can even watch 3/4ths of a movie on the battery.

That is mostly dependent on how your/a machine is setup. My laptop is configured right now for maximum performance. I would probably be lucky to go 3-4 hours. I could probably do about the same maybe a little less if I set it up for maximum efficiency.

Hands down, apple puts better hardware in their machines, builds them better, warranty them better, and has a better OS.

I agree but they over charge a lot and I'm not fucking stupid. The OS is only better if you are a professional (photography, movies, etc...) not gaming. Macs and PCs are like philips and robertson screw drivers. They are both good but they both have there place. One does not do it all.

Lets put it this way, in terms everyone can relate too...... Would you rather drive a Lamborghini that comes from he factory SICK AS HELL! OR a supped up Honda Civic that someone has throws enough money at that is can keep up, or maybe even beat the Lamborghini in a race? Yea the Civic will be less expensive, but who wouldnt take the Lambo over a civic?
Make it a Amuse Honda S2000 GT1 and I'll destroy your Lamborghini, maybe not in a straight line but road racing the lambo doesn't have a chance. On another note my buddy in a stock 08 honda Civic Si laps faster than a C5 corvette. He's a hell of a driver though.
 

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To rich & hardcore for my blood (& I game as well)

My Sager NP1830 gaming notebook is my civic...er....um rig.

Portability ftw!

My current machine is similar it's a great machine especially for the price, I'm just to demanding. Where I am now I need a tower.
 

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Oh and too add further insult to injury to apple I just made a similar tower.

One 3.33GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon processor
8GB (4X2GB)
1TB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s hard drive
ATI Radeon HD 5770 1GB
One 18x SuperDrive
Apple Magic Mouse
Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad (English) & User's Guide

It costs $3,074. The machine I've customized so far is $1000 cheaper and has completely superior components. Ok the Apple has a nicer case. And last time I checked Apple care doesn't include happy endings.

Oh and so you know some of the Macs I've used, my family owns/owned. 6100, 7200, 9300, Original Imac, Original Macbook, First G3 tower, Second G3 tower, G4 tower, G5 tower, G3 Macbook(the professional black one), G4 Titanium Macbook Prox2(a 400Mhz and a 800mhz), Intel duo Core Imac 2 different styles(round circular base and the current style), Intel Duo Core Mac book Pro. I'm sure there's more but that's all I can remember right now. I'm far from an Apple newb. I also prefered system 9 over X for the longest time.

You can also load system X on a PC too if you want to if you didn't already know. It's nice that hardware is pretty open now-a-days and you can run whatever you like unlike when Apple ran the motorola chips.
 

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If you look at the specs on his and compare it to Aurora it is similar if not better and he's not even including the cost of the OS. But what do I know about PC gaming. I only work in IT.
 

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If you look at the specs on his and compare it to Aurora it is similar if not better and he's not even including the cost of the OS. But what do I know about PC gaming. I only work in IT.
I configured one and it's not any cheaper, in fact it was more expensive by quite a bit and there were quite a few components I wasn't show specs for such as PSU, MOBO. There also still using 2nd generation sandy bridge cpus not ivy bridge. There nothing wrong with the sandy bridge just ivy bridge is a bit better and not a big price difference. I'm looking forward to building it myself too. I do appreciate the advice though.

I got a bunch of things that just came up so I'll have to wait to the middle of september. It'll be my birthday present to myself.
 
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