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Hello all heaths been failing but back... I was just wondering How YOU all feel about Kawasakis racing programs, this Years WSB effort and what you think will happen In NEXT years much promised, long anticipated world class dominating 2011 ZX10R. Personally I admit im Biased because of my like of my ZX14( traded even up for my ZX10R My sons are 6ft7and 6ft8, im 6ft4 the ZX14 just ..fit.. better )
Im dying to see kawasaki reinvent themselves as a force in racing , instead of being thought of as the company that makes good hot rod sport bikes that are ALMOST good enough to race. HOPEFULLY KHI has the sence to realize that they have painted themselves in a public relations corner making so many promises , under the cloak of secrecy on top of the fact the long wait time increases the pressure that the 2011 ZX10R is a world beater . BMW was in the same situation with the S1000. After such long anticipation and hype if the S1000 didnt produce.. Shock and Awe.. BMW would have been the Laughing stock of the motorcycle world .

If the passionless bean counters at KHI dont realize this PR dilema , Kawasaki could be the company( I was told KHI and Kawasaki act as 2 different companies) with egg on its face in the eyes of the motorcycle enthusiast .
 

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If the passionless bean counters at KHI dont realize this PR dilema , Kawasaki could be the company( I was told KHI and Kawasaki act as 2 different companies) with egg on its face in the eyes of the motorcycle enthusiast .
Seems like they already have to a point.....no motogp team,WSB team kinda failing already, and pretty much sucking a$$ in every other class except "maybe" 600's? i hope they can get it together and put a damn good team/rider together THAT WORKS! i'll always keep rooting for them though.....regardless
 

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Kawasaki made it on the scene as the company with the brutal motor less refined (compared to Honda) and all about the Ill say again, motor. Mach and the Z1900R. Thats what their claim to fame was and frankly what drew me to them from the inception. We got a little taste of race success with Eddie and the KZ1000 and Russell in the Muzzy days. I think they are always going to strive to be the best motor out there but in the rare years that they get the right combo, frame, suspension, motor, we are left with the dry spells between. The best bikes gixxers and lately the CBR dont do just one thing great but all things pretty well.
Just my 2 cents.
 

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Hope your health improves Jake.

Honestly, I didn't buy my 10R because of any racing...whether GP, AMA, WSBK...whatever.

Having said that, I sure wish that the 10R would do better...I know it's a good bike that has only gotten better in regards to track performance. The 4th Gen has some big shoes to fill....and I expect to see more motor, better suspension (BPF) and most importantly, a chassis that loves the track. Kawi can do it...we all know they can. I just hope they DO.
 

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Greeniner its hard to judge how good Kawasaki racing was bad in the glory days because they had the BEST talent scout in the world ..period!! Spencer, Merkel , Baldwin , Lawson, Rainey ect ect ALL started with Kawasaki Contracts . Only 2 of the Greats/HOF riders that didnt start with Kawasaki was Kenny Roberts(Yamaha) and Kevin Schwantz(Suzuki) even back in the day Kawasaki found and signed all the great riders only to lose them with riders saying they wanted to stay with kawasaki but due to the fact Kawaski wouldnt develope the bikes they switched manufactures. BTW all the Japanese manufactures have dropped the ball before . After winning a title they stop with R&D relying on having superior rider to bridge the gap. Example: Kenny Robert SR His GP bike had little change since Agostinni and no R&D developement after first title!!!
He had to threaten to change manufacturers to get the ball rolling at the end of 82 season . And Suzuki slashed the R&D budget after Schwatz won his title also . Differance seems to be the other manufactures seem to learn their lesson and keep the R&D ball rolling where as KHI seems to run hot And cold on racng
 

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Speaking of kawasaki racxing machines . Drooling over the old racing pics, i noticed the 90s zx10r chassis was the traditional wrap around i-beam affair, not like the newer chasis that bends around and over the cylinder heads.

Asking/speaking to the engineer here who is into chassis design. Is this where kawasaki went wrong ? And needs to go back.then useing old design as bassis intigrate the new technology .

Sorry to bore you all , you know im into the mechanical engineering aspect . Who else would think it was fun doing a high performance build on a chinese giant touring scooter that came with chinsey pot metal gy6 honda clone engine. (bored/stroked to 200cc high comp, race cams , dome pistons ect )
its still cruising downthe highway as commuter for collage kid 40 miles each way. 7500 miles now ,burns 1 quart of oil every 500 miles.he cant complain we gave it to him for free lol
 

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Kawi does need better rep for their factory teams. In dirt they do awesome. Now for street they just don't seem to have it or at least the mechanics who are supposed to tune and refine the rides. Oh well, I will only buy Kawi since I have never had any problem whatsoever.
 

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they need to make a more powerful engine than the s100rr, and make it light and small, everything else does not matter becuase it can be adjusted in racing. Like swaping to ohlins suspension or new brakes. The combination on the new zx6 is good, they just need to take those lessons and apply it to the new zx10, producing, hopefully, 185-190 rwhp stock, stock exhaust, no PC V. No matter how it handles I would buy it becuase I can always tweak the handling and turn characteristics. I believe they can increase the stock HP, the bikes are built solid and will last 70k mi easy. Most bikes will not see that mileage before they are wrecked or broke from misuse. I would say we could cut engine life down to 40k mi then rebuild. Besides 25-50% will only see below 3k before a squid totals it anyway.
 

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Kawi should do what BMW did. Check out all the Japanese motorcycles ever made then make a motorcycle out of all the best and most practical concepts.
 

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I think people look at motorcycles the wrong way. I understand this is the racing section and we all pretty much love full out race bikes but they aren't fun on the street. Kawasaki builds a wicked street bike and that's what I want. I don't care to have 180+ rwhp if I have to sacrifice low end and mid range. If anything I think all the manufactures should do what they used to do or what only ducati seems to do with the 1098/1198r. You have to make comprimises with street bike and when turning them over into race bikes there's still going to be comprimises. I say zx10r and a zx10rr would be the best idea for a racing perpective but I doubt the budget or demand would be there.
 

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JLG I dont know how long you have been riding or a race fan but you are smarter than alot of long time riders/ racers . A bike with a race chassis is twitchy, falls/dives into corners and generally seems unstable at the lower speeds people usually ride around town . Rossis M1 is known to be the best MotoGP bike on the circut but if the average street rider even average track day rider took it for a ride he would come back telling you the bike isnt nearly as good as his Gixxer 1000 lol. I just bought a Ducati 1198 because it is the EASIEST bike to ride fast , NOT the fastest / best handling bike . At 45yrs old and health issues making me stiff the easiest IS the fastest for me . It is for MOOST riders also they just either overrate thier own riding skills or just dont know father time gets us all one day lol.
 

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I believe race results play a role in sales, as when I got my 1st bike at 16 - we always wanted the road version of what was winning, but eventually you realise track success does not necessary make a good road bike and visa-versa. Ducati's dominated WSB (Ducati cup?) in the 90's and even though there bikes were beautifull (IMO), in the real world - a Japanese 4-cyl would beat it every time, plus be more reliable.
Also, I had a VTR1000 SP2 - Honda's Ducati beater (in the early 2000's), yet the 4 cyl road bikes would all beat an SP2 and Ducati, except round a very twisty mountain pass.
So WSB/MotoGP don't always reflect what is best on the road (Honda's probably glad about that now), but it seems to have an influence on sales, at least it has in South Africa - since Rossi's done so well with the Yamaha, the R1 has started selling much better than previously.
On another racing point though - Í don't know how well Kawasaki does in the US, but in 2009, both our South African Open and 600 National racing series was won by a ZX10 and a ZX6, but we allow less mods, to kep the costs lower - so currently, the ZX10 is our national championship winning bike. Gotta admit though, it was being ridden by one of our better riders last year (Sheridan Morais) who's had a wildcard or two in WSB.
 

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yah, kawasaki's dirt program is doing pretty well. So is the supersport class; they just need to up it in the big boy class. If you notice, the 10R does pretty well in national championships around the world and even the Northwest 200. I think things will be on the way up, we can only hope!!
 

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Hope your health improves Jake.

Honestly, I didn't buy my 10R because of any racing...whether GP, AMA, WSBK...whatever.

Having said that, I sure wish that the 10R would do better...I know it's a good bike that has only gotten better in regards to track performance. The 4th Gen has some big shoes to fill....and I expect to see more motor, better suspension (BPF) and most importantly, a chassis that loves the track. Kawi can do it...we all know they can. I just hope they DO.
:+1:Hope the back gets better for you Jake, I know you been down with it for a while now.
 

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Thanks OR10Rbut now after a life of super athletic ( family genes grandfather fought for heavyweight title and 2 Hall of fame football players on mothers side of family ) I have a torn/damaged muscle wall in my heart . I get winded walking 100yrs now . Used to lift (heavy full body ) 2 hrs a day and run 6 miles a day . Uncle had same heart damage , he also had athletic records .
Its like the old saying .. The candle that burns brightest-burns fastest .
Gave my son all my money/property . Went from rags to riches now back to rags again lol.



PS just bought a 2009 1198 ducati and a 2006 Triumph 1050 Spirit ST.
The Ducati is what I expected , BUT the Triumph im VERY impressed with ,LOADS of midrange VERY comfortable and for aging riders like myself whos skills are going to hell, the handling ROCK steady through corners . So easy to go fast with confidence you feel like Rossi . The Tiumph is more lke a comfortable sportbike than a touring bike . The Superbike /super worked/Firebolt you see in my avtar is still the fastest bike around a tight track but im not good enough to ride at that level , Buells are the only production bke with race Chassis but im not good enough rider . They dive into corners and are twitchy till your going over 90mph.
People forget race bikes and street bikes are different animals . If 100 street/track day riders jumped on Rossis Yamaha M1, 99 would come back thinking it was a lousey handling machine lol.
 

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I believe race results play a role in sales, as when I got my 1st bike at 16 - we always wanted the road version of what was winning, but eventually you realise track success does not necessary make a good road bike and visa-versa. Ducati's dominated WSB (Ducati cup?) in the 90's and even though there bikes were beautifull (IMO), in the real world - a Japanese 4-cyl would beat it every time, plus be more reliable.
Also, I had a VTR1000 SP2 - Honda's Ducati beater (in the early 2000's), yet the 4 cyl road bikes would all beat an SP2 and Ducati, except round a very twisty mountain pass.
So WSB/MotoGP don't always reflect what is best on the road (Honda's probably glad about that now), but it seems to have an influence on sales, at least it has in South Africa - since Rossi's done so well with the Yamaha, the R1 has started selling much better than previously.
On another racing point though - Í don't know how well Kawasaki does in the US, but in 2009, both our South African Open and 600 National racing series was won by a ZX10 and a ZX6, but we allow less mods, to kep the costs lower - so currently, the ZX10 is our national championship winning bike. Gotta admit though, it was being ridden by one of our better riders last year (Sheridan Morais) who's had a wildcard or two in WSB.
Jordan Szoke won his #1 plate on a 10r last year as well. Its too bad Kawasaki fucked him and hes on a Honda this year.
 
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