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Lets have some fun speculating and posting anything we can find on the next Great kawasaki ZX10R.

One thing we know for certain. "Kawasaki is Planning “Extreme” ZX-10RR For WorldSBK 2020" Ichiro Yoda stated in April 2019. He said they can tap into their Moto GP race tech and build a GP level bike like Ducati did for WSBK and do it very fast.

What do that mean for WSBK and Racers?
I am sure whatever they build for Rea will be at the maximum WSBK rule book allowance. $40,000 street price, 16,000+ RPM and tons of electronics and tricky valves.
They only need to sell 500. I think this will be the new ZX10RR....Look at what Ducati did with the V4R. They used the rule books to create a formidable bike for it's first year of racing. (Of course AB is part of that equation).
Carbon or Magnesium option marchesini wheel option...
Aluminum Gas tank.
* I feel that since the Japanese bikes/parts cost a good deal less than the italian bikes (Ducati) what they have in the V4R compared to how much more Kawasaki can put in the bike for the same price will help. Or they can just sell a bike with equal parts/trickery for less.

What do this mean for the average Joe?
ZX10R & ZX10R SE

This is where we have to do the largest speculations (Because it's fun to guess what might hit the streets)...
My best guess will be that the new bike will still ride on the same basic frame with more tweaks. It's been working since 2011 with update in 2016. I feel we will get the Race swing-arm (on the street version or at least on the limited RR 500 versions)... the new BMW has the reverse swing-arm currently.
Id guess the 2019 ZX10RR Engine (New finger valves and other updates) will be the new base engine for the 2020 since the RR would get Moto GP level engine trickery.
We will finally get a high end Digital dash.
Of course all new fairings, mirrors, and LED headlights.

SE version with Akropavic Pipe and Electronic control suspension. Possibly the marchesini wheels (magnesium or light weight aluminum).

From a Price point I think the models will be:

ZX10RR : (Limited to 500 units) $32,000-$39,000 range
ZX10R SE: (The RR Replacement for Top of the line street version) $24,000
ZX10R /ABS: similar to current pricing: $16,000 range.

I do feel the RR will now be a night and day difference compared to the R/SE ZX10s

what do you guys think?


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I agree with a lot of the above. As I've been working with my AiM MXK10 dash, it's been told to me (from AiM USA) that these where designed in conjunction with Kawasaki Europe.

As for the 2019 motor in the 2020 bike, I think we will see a very large change in this area. Reverse rotation and a dry clutch are my "wishes" but we'll see I guess. They should also update the chassis since it's getting a bit dated. The desmotronic valve train is going to be the hardest thing to match since pneumatic isn't really good street option! They DESPERATLY need some midrange from that motor. I think we'll see variable valves/cam wizardry. But to reach the 16K rpms without the desmo system or pneumatic is going to be a tall order. Also what about variable intake runners/stacks?

There's so much that HASN"T been done with that motor and it's still very competitive. I think they just need to improve about 10% in 5 or 6 different places and KRT will be fighting an even battle next year.
 

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I agree with a lot of the above. As I've been working with my AiM MXK10 dash, it's been told to me (from AiM USA) that these where designed in conjunction with Kawasaki Europe.

As for the 2019 motor in the 2020 bike, I think we will see a very large change in this area. Reverse rotation and a dry clutch are my "wishes" but we'll see I guess. They should also update the chassis since it's getting a bit dated. The desmotronic valve train is going to be the hardest thing to match since pneumatic isn't really good street option! They DESPERATLY need some midrange from that motor. I think we'll see variable valves/cam wizardry. But to reach the 16K rpms without the desmo system or pneumatic is going to be a tall order. Also what about variable intake runners/stacks?

There's so much that HASN"T been done with that motor and it's still very competitive. I think they just need to improve about 10% in 5 or 6 different places and KRT will be fighting an even battle next year.
Good Point...
I forgot to mention variable intake stacks, and variable valves. I figured they would either use non VVT or something. The engine have so much more potential. If they do go the pneumatic route of some sorts...im sure it would only be on the limited edition.

We know he said they have the Moto GP ZX-RR bike to pull from (798cc in 2008) and it also uses the pneumatic valves....
Here is the ZX-RR spect sheet that we can see some possible tech/items they can pull. Most of that 2008 tech is close to modern tech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ninja_ZX-RR#Specifications
 
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I don't see pneumatic being an option for a street bike. It's like an electric car, always needing a charge...
 

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They gotta find 25 horse, it will be lighter internals less friction variable cams and inlet stacks I expect we will see a different bore and stroke but a straight four. If your throwing 18k out the window and building too 40k its achievable but there not gonna tame it with showa were gonna see ohlins and carbon wheels with a lighter frame more in line with Suzuki GP, and of course winglets to keep it down. There is also the possibility that kawa will shock the world and be the first to use electric valves, who the fuck needs all the inertia of cams chains and springs ehh.
 

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hmmmm electric valves..... wonder how reliable they can be and for how long?

and Oh yeah...How can I forget the wings....
 

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So, my question is if F1 or MotoGP has not yet started using this, then why would Kawasaki even consider the hassle? Not to mention the added weight of the solenoids, bigger rectifier to keep the charge in the battery topped off and a larger battery...

The only thing that makes economical sense for Kawasaki is variable cams or valves. Most likely cams timing (again) due to the extra components for variable valve setup. Something like Suzuki would be a good start. Yes, there is a difference in hardware between a VTEC (Honda variable cam profile) and a ACVS (Subaru variable cam timing) system. Right now, Suzuki is using basically a the same thing as the ACVS that you see in the Subaru STi's and other manufacturers. This alters cam timing, rather than switching cam profiles like the BMW S1000RR (aka Honda VTEC).

And yes...please wings!!!
 

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wingssssssssssssssssss


 
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Unless your racing or flying you don't need wingssss. :headshake:

Just my humble opinion for whatever thats worth
The speculations we spoke about were basically on the wsbk limited bike...that could run up to $40,000.

We do not "need" 75% of the gizmos and gadgets on the bikes.
 

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The speculations we spoke about were basically on the wsbk limited bike...that could run up to $40,000.

We do not "need" 75% of the gizmos and gadgets on the bikes.
That is very true as well

lol... that looks absolutely ridiculous

its like the biker equivalent of this:


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I actually LOL'd :lol:
 

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I'd like to see a TFT dash, lightened components and VVT to improve power and emissions, oh and led headlights lol

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yeah those seem like the logical steps forward

TFT modernized dash with user friendly interface and easy to read in bright sunlight... would be great if you could build your own layout from pre-determined UI items
lighter curb weight than the competition (lighter wheels, full ti exhaust, etc)
lighter valvetrain components if possible, faster revs (ti valves, con rods, etc... knife edged crank blah blah)
VVT or similar tech to bump low end power without sacrificing topend
a german saloon quality headlight setup ;)

and since were dreaming here...

easy tool-less (or single tool) disconnect of licence plate bracket, mirrors, etc) to make it super easy on the weekend track warriors.

id love to see engineers put more thought into designing everything to be friendly for the enthusiasts who race and or mod their bikes.... or just for those who maintain their bikes themselves... for example the headlight aiming adjustment on the zx10r is downright stupid, the guy who designed it clearly never worked on it himself.
 

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Call it trivial but if we continue to have seperate bulbs/LEDs on either side of the air intake for high and low beam, give us the option to swap these over so that we can have high beam on the left or right and ditto for low beam. This would make a big difference for night riding where folks drive on different sides of the road.

+1 for the TFT dash and perf enhancements too :)

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Call it trivial but if we continue to have seperate bulbs/LEDs on either side of the air intake for high and low beam, give us the option to swap these over so that we can have high beam on the left or right and ditto for low beam. This would make a big difference for night riding where folks drive on different sides of the road.

+1 for the TFT dash and perf enhancements too :)

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im in thailand and we ride on the left side of the road... left side is high beam and right side is low beam... so the high isnt going directly into the eyes of oncoming traffic i guess?

is that not the same in Aus?
 
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