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They are internally lengthened by 20mm, so the tube was raised by that about which (supposedly) puts me at stock front geometry. I want to take it to GMD Computrak to get a chassis measurement session. I don’t have the money for that at the moment...
An extension is done to increase the travel distance a fork can do. The most I've seen done is 10mm (at wsbk level) but after some testing, it was reported that it doesn't have good results so now folks just do 5mm extension. So 20mm seems pretty out of range. I would talk to Ken Hall at https://www.sbsuspension.com/ as he's in your neck of the woods or, if you're going K-tech, talk to Lenny Albin, as he's the USA K-tech rep/tuner and main suspension guy for the Fly Street Moto America team.
 

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Turn 3 Tally?
The Carousel actually, I wasn't super confident most of the two days. The new SCX rear I used both days has the SC3 compound on the left and gets through all the Pirelli compounds across the tire until its on the SC0 on the right. That SC3 compound is the hardest and was super greasy when the track temps went up. After talking with my suspension guy (Fluidology aka Stephen Breckenridge), I also found out that the tarmac is super worn and has aggregate showing on the racing line. This also means more spinning and sliding.

So overall, I wasn't faster. In fact I was 1.3 seconds off my best time there (done with an SC1 btw). A little disappointed but feeling the full force of this motor after the SS build, I can promise there is so much more speed to come. I need taller gearing now for sure, wheelie was a big problem every single corner exit (using 16/42). I was sliding on the exit of Farmhouse/down the front straight and had an out of seat moment in the Bowl. Fun times!

Signed up for Roabling on the 17th...we'll see how that goes for races on the 19th.
 
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You aren't the only one sliding around! I chalked up my lack of grip to tires but after talking with Mike Fitzgerald (Tman) he said the same thing about the track and aggregate actually. The carousel specifically felt like you couldn't touch throttle until bike was near vertical!

I wouldn't sweat your times just yet as I dropped 3 seconds simply being in race conditions. Your pace will change dramatically once the green drops!

Speaking of gearing I already changed mine for Roebling and I'm going to start with a 16/39. I was on a 41t in rear but Roebling front straight looks super long and I may even need to change front sprocket back to 17 we will see. I haven't heard of the new SCX. I ran the new TD and rear got greasy after only 4 or 5 laps. I put a used Dunlop med (slick) for 2nd race and went a little quicker but still had no drive grip. Needed to change my riding style for those conditions!

Good to hear your motor build feels so strong but not good for me at Roebling lol. I haven't been there yet but I will get a full Friday practice followed by endurance race on Saturday so I should be fairly familiar with track by Sunday races. Did you sign up with N2 for Friday or with James Bach for racer practice? Excited to hear we will finally get on track together and it will be helpful to compare notes on Friday.

Fingers crossed we get a dry weekend!
 

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I just paid James for a spot with his group. Should only be one group that day, not sure N2 and Podium Motorsports can double book the track.

You'll be fine with a 16/39 at RRR. I know guys who run Daytona with that setup.

Yeah man, it was a rough weekend but all in all it was good. I have to keep reminding myself that it's been 8 months and that a lot has changed. The motor, rear suspension and the electronics are all new to me. Dude, the power is insane, were there used to be a lag in the midrange has been replaced by savage acceleration. Insane...I felt more acceleration at 50% than I did at 100% before. Time for longer gearing like I said!
 

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N2 is also doing a trackday. I signed up with James as well but another friend signed up with N2 for same date. Not sure how they are going to mix us all but yea, two different groups renting track on same day.

Good to know about gearing. I'll be curious to compare bikes down the front straight with your new beast! Be gentle tho and don't mind me weaving left and right hahaha
 

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N2 is also doing a trackday. I signed up with James as well but another friend signed up with N2 for same date. Not sure how they are going to mix us all but yea, two different groups renting track on same day.

Good to know about gearing. I'll be curious to compare bikes down the front straight with your new beast! Be gentle tho and don't mind me weaving left and right hahaha
Hahaha, F1 rules apply: No Weaving On The Brakes!!!
 
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So, I got my first ride on the new setup out of the way! Very pleased overall with the bike, it's a complete package now. My riding...could use some work. I was stiff and nervous everywhere and wasn't until the middle of the second day that I got into a little bit of a groove. Since this was a severely abrasive track, I used a cheap (new) SCX Pirelli rear that I picked up for about $100 less than they go for.

Had rear grip issues both days but was able to get a baseline assessment of the bike and the suspension/electronic settings. Looking at the data, I was spinning immediately after opening the throttle, even as low as 2% TPS. There were many factors to that, tire compound choice, aggressive gearing (16/42) and the poor condition of the tarmac. I've never worn out the middle of tire at the same rate as the edge, but that's what happened. This motor is super strong, yet very smooth. The ETV maps that KWS loaded from their 2 years racing experience with the ZX10 were money!

I ordered a set of rear sprockets to bring the gearing back down to earth a bit. 39 and 41 rear to match the 16 and 17 fronts I already have. This should help make the spin more manageable and I can focus the suspension side of things.

Up next is Roabling Road Raceway on the 17th of May. Hopefully it stays dry so I can get more data and continue to refine the settings.

 

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So, I got my first ride on the new setup out of the way! Very pleased overall with the bike, it's a complete package now. My riding...could use some work. I was stiff and nervous everywhere and wasn't until the middle of the second day that I got into a little bit of a groove. Since this was a severely abrasive track, I used a cheap (new) SCX Pirelli rear that I picked up for about $100 less than they go for.

Had rear grip issues both days but was able to get a baseline assessment of the bike and the suspension/electronic settings. Looking at the data, I was spinning immediately after opening the throttle, even as low as 2% TPS. There were many factors to that, tire compound choice, aggressive gearing (16/42) and the poor condition of the tarmac. I've never worn out the middle of tire at the same rate as the edge, but that's what happened. This motor is super strong, yet very smooth. The ETV maps that KWS loaded from their 2 years racing experience with the ZX10 were money!

I ordered a set of rear sprockets to bring the gearing back down to earth a bit. 39 and 41 rear to match the 16 and 17 fronts I already have. This should help make the spin more manageable and I can focus the suspension side of things.

Up next is Roabling Road Raceway on the 17th of May. Hopefully it stays dry so I can get more data and continue to refine the settings.

That's a great photo Neo luv it
 

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Up next is Roabling Road Raceway on the 17th of May. Hopefully it stays dry so I can get more data and continue to refine the settings. [IMG said:
https://i.imgur.com/I9yUolk.jpg[/IMG]
How about May 19th? You going to grid up?
 

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How about May 19th? You going to grid up?
We'll see. It's possible but I'd need to be pretty satisfied with my pace and setup on Friday. If it was the Saturday, the chances are pretty good, but that day in between kills me. FMRRA will be there on the 22-23 of June and a Florida buddy of mine wants me to come out and race then.
 

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No better time than the present! If the day in between bothers you and need something to do...

We will need help for pit stops! We lost a guy who was going to help with pitting. We need a fuel guy, fire extinguisher guy, and wheel change team. We currently have one or two guys that volunteered plus the three of us who are racing. I will buy you lunch and give you access to all the cold beer we have!
 

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No better time than the present! If the day in between bothers you and need something to do...

We will need help for pit stops! We lost a guy who was going to help with pitting. We need a fuel guy, fire extinguisher guy, and wheel change team. We currently have one or two guys that volunteered plus the three of us who are racing. I will buy you lunch and give you access to all the cold beer we have!
I may ride down Sunday on my Gen 1 to check everything out as I want to get into track days/racing with a bike. I can hold the hell out of a Fire Extinguisher:grin2:. I am always down to help and learn. Especially since you guys seem experienced from the comments you guys post.

OP I love the thread, hopefully I can grab a Gen 5 one day. It sounds like yours is an animal!

Roebling is a blast in a car, I usually hit 145 braking into T1. You guys have to be 175+ lol. What is a normal lap time there on a bike? In a car I was in the 22-23 range.
 

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I may ride down Sunday on my Gen 1 to check everything out as I want to get into track days/racing with a bike. I can hold the hell out of a Fire Extinguisher:grin2:. I am always down to help and learn. Especially since you guys seem experienced from the comments you guys post.

OP I love the thread, hopefully I can grab a Gen 5 one day. It sounds like yours is an animal!

Roebling is a blast in a car, I usually hit 145 braking into T1. You guys have to be 175+ lol. What is a normal lap time there on a bike? In a car I was in the 22-23 range.
Cars make their time in the corners at RRR, bikes do it from acceleration and top speed. An unlocked Gen5 ZX10R will hit 180mph if you got the balls to hold the gas until the brake markers and an average "fast" lap is about a 1:18, the stupid fast guys will drop into the 12's. I was doing 1:23s-25s two years ago on a 160hp R1. No corner confidence robbed me of a good lap time, but sub 1:20's were possible with that bike.
 

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I may ride down Sunday on my Gen 1 to check everything out as I want to get into track days/racing with a bike. I can hold the hell out of a Fire Extinguisher:grin2:. I am always down to help and learn. Especially since you guys seem experienced from the comments you guys post.

OP I love the thread, hopefully I can grab a Gen 5 one day. It sounds like yours is an animal!

Roebling is a blast in a car, I usually hit 145 braking into T1. You guys have to be 175+ lol. What is a normal lap time there on a bike? In a car I was in the 22-23 range.
That would be cool if you came Saturday. We could definitely use the help!

This will be my first time at Roebling but like Neo said, sub 1.20s for most racers and 1.12 for the few really fast guys. Front stretch speeds will be 175 minimum.

If you come look for a black gen 5 ZX10, Black Triumph 675R, and red and green R6. Hope to see you at a track one day with your bike!
 

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Cars make their time in the corners at RRR, bikes do it from acceleration and top speed. An unlocked Gen5 ZX10R will hit 180mph if you got the balls to hold the gas until the brake markers and an average "fast" lap is about a 1:18, the stupid fast guys will drop into the 12's. I was doing 1:23s-25s two years ago on a 160hp R1. No corner confidence robbed me of a good lap time, but sub 1:20's were possible with that bike.
I got you, it makes sense with the cars. Jeez 180 is moving, my Gen 1 may hit 170 but I do not care about the speed as much as learning to lean and take corners on a bike. My Gen 1 with the mods should be around 160, as long as I make good progress throughout my track day there I am happy. Goals for track day 1 are to come home afterwords alive and everything in one piece.

That would be cool if you came Saturday. We could definitely use the help!

This will be my first time at Roebling but like Neo said, sub 1.20s for most racers and 1.12 for the few really fast guys. Front stretch speeds will be 175 minimum.

If you come look for a black gen 5 ZX10, Black Triumph 675R, and red and green R6. Hope to see you at a track one day with your bike!
Unfortunately working 3rd shift and the ride is 2 hours after sleep I would get there a tad late on Saturday.

First time at Roebling? It is a track that is not hard to learn. The thing I would advise (granted from a cars standpoint) is that T3 is a decreasing radius corner. Go in wide and arc yourself to be track left braking for T4. You will get what I am saying when you get on track. In a car how you take T3 can make or brake T4. I am sure it is close with a bike. I mention that area because people entering T4 track right triggers me:crackup:.

I will definitely look for you guys if I make it!
 

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First time at Roebling? It is a track that is not hard to learn. The thing I would advise (granted from a cars standpoint) is that T3 is a decreasing radius corner. Go in wide and arc yourself to be track left braking for T4. You will get what I am saying when you get on track. In a car how you take T3 can make or brake T4. I am sure it is close with a bike.
I will say T3 is different on a bike. It's such a long, gentle radius that we can enter like normal and hold the left rubble. Then as you exit its very much outside-inside-outside, so you'll be track center when you enter T4.
 
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FYI, I've got the TSE front fork kit in my '16. I bought the bike new and had them install the kit. The extension rods are so you can get more ride height. The kit includes:
"new comp and rebound pistons, new IFP piston (separates gas
from oil), extension rods (to make the forks longer for ride height
changes), new res end cap (for making gas pressure changes and for ease
of future services), proper spring rate and buffer kit."

I really like it. I've got a TTX rear shock adjusted up and shimmed 6mm to match the higher front end. It's not quite as tall as my Daytona 675, but it turns in pretty well. TSE are great people, and they offer great on track support at all the CCS events in the midwest and Motovid.com trackdays.
 
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