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So i had a trackday on sunday at one of the smaller tracks in victoria Australia (broadford to be exact) had one session where i went out behind one of the new BMWs.

well i made up the ground i was behind on him (about 100 meters) but man the traction control on that thing just gives it enough of a jump to stop me getting him under brakes at the next corner, although i made up huge ground under brakes i just wasnt close enough, had it had been for a race win i would have taken a huge dive up the inside and hoped for the best, my corner speed was better as was my braking but just needed a little more drive, in saying that he didnt pull anything on me once he got the little jump, and i was able to hold him down the straights.

not sure what im trying to say but i guess im just saying that traction control in teh bmw seems to work very well.
 

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I remember your 10 is pretty well equipt suspension/brake wise but I don't remember what if any engine work you have had done. Seems impressive that the BMW couldn't pull you down the straight.
 

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I remember your 10 is pretty well equipt suspension/brake wise but I don't remember what if any engine work you have had done. Seems impressive that the BMW couldn't pull you down the straight.

I actually have a dedicated race bike 05mdl, the road bike has been sold as has the good suspension it had, but the race bike has been tweaked to work as it should, it is an 05mdl zx10 that was raced in the Australian superbike series back in the day, the engine was standard when i recieved it except the undercut gear box is still in it, I have since put the carrozeria wheels on it the brembo calipers and braketech rotors (that were fitted to the road bike and are now on the race bike) the head was removed and the cylinder head was blue printed c&c ported and machined 09 race inlet race cam fitted along with thinner head gasket and a bit trimmed of the head also, all the valve seats where recut, and competion spings and retainers fitted, the front suspension has been fitted with 30mm ohlins cartridges, and the ohlins rear shock that came with the bike has been retained, the head stem of the frame was pulled back to make the bike tip in better (its very stable in a corner, not so stable in a straight line) on the dyno it only made 160 rwhp, but the midrange is imense, like a v-twin, it pulls out of corners like nothing else ive ever riden. I was a bit astounded that the beemer didnt pull away on the straights either, like i said earlier if i was in a race and it was the last lap i would have taken a big dive under brakes and hoped for the best... that beemer sure did sound angry though, it didnt move around at all on corner exit, and the noise it made when changing gear with the quick shifter (i have the dynojet QS fitted) sounded awsome. Im guessing with a better rider that beemer would have flogged me, but it was nice to know that on this particular day that it didnt, lol.
 

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Good post and story, but not much point unless you guys switched bikes and took the rider out of the equation, for all we know you could have been a much much better rider than him, or equal. We all know by now the BMW would be a heavy overdog for all but the best modded first gens. I think the one area the first gen might have a edge would be nimbleness. Power, electronics, chasis and brakes the BMW is worlds ahead of your average first gen. So I would guess, rider! Especially since you were catching him on the brakes. And no, I'm not saying I would buy the BMW , it has no soul, but I have to admit its one heck of a first effort for BMW
 

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oh yeah i forgot, got a full akro on it as well as pcIII and ignition module, any weight that could be shaved of the bike has been. it really is a fun bike to ride, i also had some one on one tuition with a tutor who hold the lap record for the supersport class at that particular track, so i learnt a lot of new things and ways to get around corners better and corner entry also.
 

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Good post and story, but not much point unless you guys switched bikes and took the rider out of the equation, for all we know you could have been a much much better rider than him, or equal. We all know by now the BMW would be a heavy overdog for all but the best modded first gens. I think the one area the first gen might have a edge would be nimbleness. Power, electronics, chasis and brakes the BMW is worlds ahead of your average first gen. So I would guess, rider! Especially since you were catching him on the brakes. And no, I'm not saying I would buy the BMW , it has no soul, but I have to admit its one heck of a first effort for BMW
Just a note to all, im not bagging the beemer at all, like wise a agree that its a fantastic first effort for BMW to make such a good bike, i have no idea who the guy was who owned it or even rode it, i went loking for him later on in the pits when i had some time and could not find him, i guess he must have packed up and left as it was a hot day and most were leaving early, i must also not that i had better corner and entry speed as well, my race bike is a very well sorted package, if my suspension guy was there i might have fitted some heavier springs to the front as i was bottoming under brakes and could not brake as late as i would have liked without the rear lifting to much. Im def not the fastes guy out there either, but it was fun trying to find a way past him i guess, what i was tring to say is that i was impressed with the exit speed that beemer had, it really loked very tidy on the exit.
 

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Just a note to all, im not bagging the beemer at all, like wise a agree that its a fantastic first effort for BMW to make such a good bike, i have no idea who the guy was who owned it or even rode it, i went loking for him later on in the pits when i had some time and could not find him, i guess he must have packed up and left as it was a hot day and most were leaving early, i must also not that i had better corner and entry speed as well, my race bike is a very well sorted package, if my suspension guy was there i might have fitted some heavier springs to the front as i was bottoming under brakes and could not brake as late as i would have liked without the rear lifting to much. Im def not the fastes guy out there either, but it was fun trying to find a way past him i guess, what i was tring to say is that i was impressed with the exit speed that beemer had, it really loked very tidy on the exit.

And jsut imagine the electronics on the 4th Gen are supposed to make the BMW's seem arcaic. Imagine what the 4th gens gonna do at the club level with those electronics.
 

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as far as im aware kawasaki australia arent racing in any classes this year, so it will just be a private team if there is one racing, i cant imagine seeing one being raced in club level racing here, everyone buys gixxers and hondas for that, you can buy an ex Aussie superbike for 16k and have most of the goddies left on the bike bar telemetry and motec stuff, engine and suspension are usually left in.
But id sure love to race the new zx10, i just dont have the cash to buy new and race club level, or any level for that matter. Ill stick with my old girl.
 

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Nice post - good to hear of track days - Im hoping to attend my 1st track day of 2011 at Jennings FL next monday. Fun track - a bit tight for the 10's legs though. Good write-up. My buddy has the full blown BMW and we ride all the time; Im not shocked at your write-up Ive seen it 1st hand, 1st gen 10 Loaded vs a BMW, on the straights the 10 can hold its own, my BMW buddy says " I cant pull you in!!" but I weigh in at 150lb and he about 200lb. His BMW is stock but it is the Loaded one; my 10 is very similar to your setup: PC3, Race tech front/rear, geared, Full Tsukigi, BMC race, Race intake cam 08, Degreed, Tuned, ATRE, Thin head gasket.....etc... - But the 10 to some degree does contend, but the BMW is definitely in a class all its own - it definitely set a new bar for all others to strive for!!! Good post
 

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id say we would have been about the same weight, he looked about my size, and broadford is a tight technical track, very much a 600 track most would tell you, i am not saying i was holding way back i was trying pretty hard but not race hard, im guessing he was doing the same, im sure at a place like Phillip Island down that long straight he would probably have gotten away on teh top end, and out of the tighter corners where putting the power down is tricky he could have opened up some more, i know he was trying a little as on brakes his bike was moving around as well, what i was just trying to post is that i got the chance to follow one at speed and was impressed with how the bike gets around. ZX10Racer thats all im trying to say(im not saying he was pushing hard or he wasnt, like most he prob left a little in reserve with it not being a race but just a trackday). i wanted to go meet the bloke but he left early. other than dicing with my instructor who would dust me at will and being passed by a guy who does the similar times to him, the beemer was the only other bike i had fun with.
 

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Nice post - good to hear of track days - Im hoping to attend my 1st track day of 2011 at Jennings FL next monday. Fun track - a bit tight for the 10's legs though. Good write-up. My buddy has the full blown BMW and we ride all the time; Im not shocked at your write-up Ive seen it 1st hand, 1st gen 10 Loaded vs a BMW, on the straights the 10 can hold its own, my BMW buddy says " I cant pull you in!!" but I weigh in at 150lb and he about 200lb. His BMW is stock but it is the Loaded one; my 10 is very similar to your setup: PC3, Race tech front/rear, geared, Full Tsukigi, BMC race, Race intake cam 08, Degreed, Tuned, ATRE, Thin head gasket.....etc... - But the 10 to some degree does contend, but the BMW is definitely in a class all its own - it definitely set a new bar for all others to strive for!!! Good post
50lb alone is about 6 bikes Diff, give him a 6 bike go on the straights and see the outcome, and he stock aswell, give me a break, this one i have, has not been beat yet, just boltons and 200lbs..:smile:
 

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i been out with a good few bmw's. the drive they get out of corners is amazing:cool: cant get near it. one of the first times i thought it was an r6 - i was RAGING inside my helmet that i was making no ground on him at all :lol:

apart from the jump out out the corners, none have ever pulled anything on the straight - small track with main straight 45-160mph. maybe they dont have enough time to get into their stride??? [08 R1 and 175 at wheel].
 
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