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07-15-2019 11:48 AM
LossPrev
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Originally Posted by Neonmarine View Post
Iím knocking on the door of podiums times at Tally specifically, a winning pace isnít that far off either but thereís still work to say the least.

I donít race CCS, so I have no idea.

The dash is complicated. For me, if I was just looking for laptimes with some data, the SOLO 2 DL is the better option. I donít really mind the old dash. However, when I start adding extra sensors, like brake pressure and suspension travel, this will become very valuable.

As for seeing my lap times, Tally is hard for this because you cross the start/finish and are basically in the braking zone for 120mph T1...Iím not looking at the time at this point hahaha. I need to adjust the length of time it holds my previous lap, then itíll be good.

On a different track with a larger straight, no problems.
I meant how many people are racing with you in A/Unlimited class in Wera, not in CCS specifically. I hate how lame our Amateur grids have been in the 1000cc classes.

Interesting...that does make me wonder about this dash now. So can you adjust how long it holds the lap times on the screen or are you hoping for that in an update? I can probably catch my time very briefly but we normally start braking right after start finish for T1 at BHF as well, definitely not a 120 mph turn though lol. Even Road America T1 isn't that fast
07-15-2019 10:58 AM
Neonmarine
06-28-2019 03:04 PM
Neonmarine
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Originally Posted by LossPrev View Post
Awesome photos! So you're knocking on 1sts now? How many dudes do you have running Unlimited(A class?) Amateur down there? I'm probably going to be really jealous if you say 10 lol

Interesting feedback on the dash. So to sum it up would you drop $1k on it again knowing what you know now? I dont have the race ecu so wont have issues there. I mainly want a nice place to see lap times, never had a lap timer before.
Iím knocking on the door of podiums times at Tally specifically, a winning pace isnít that far off either but thereís still work to say the least.

I donít race CCS, so I have no idea.

The dash is complicated. For me, if I was just looking for laptimes with some data, the SOLO 2 DL is the better option. I donít really mind the old dash. However, when I start adding extra sensors, like brake pressure and suspension travel, this will become very valuable.

As for seeing my lap times, Tally is hard for this because you cross the start/finish and are basically in the braking zone for 120mph T1...Iím not looking at the time at this point hahaha. I need to adjust the length of time it holds my previous lap, then itíll be good.

On a different track with a larger straight, no problems.
06-28-2019 08:18 AM
LossPrev Awesome photos! So you're knocking on 1sts now? How many dudes do you have running Unlimited(A class?) Amateur down there? I'm probably going to be really jealous if you say 10 lol

Interesting feedback on the dash. So to sum it up would you drop $1k on it again knowing what you know now? I dont have the race ecu so wont have issues there. I mainly want a nice place to see lap times, never had a lap timer before.
06-27-2019 08:11 AM
Neonmarine Photos are here from last weekend, I'll freely admit my right handers aren't too strong and I need to improve there.

The biggest improvement I saw was in the braking zones. After Roabling last month my stock rotors were warped pretty badly and I had no confidence. After picking up a set of Galfers (best value vs stock replacements) and replacing the pads, I can slam on the brakes how I like finally. The Pirelli V1271 WSBK front tire is a step up from the regular SC1 front. It's a 120/70 profile with SC1 compound rubber but the carcas is much more stiff and lends itself to aggressive riding on a big bike like the ZX10R. Don't be fooled into thinking the standard SC1 is weak tire, it's all about feel and for me this tire is better than the regular one offered by Pirelli.

Quick note on pads: initial bite is a bike talking point among vendors and pad manufacturers. Its the sensation of a "grabby" pad and gives some riders the confidence they want in brake feel. Versah is well known for their initial bite and overall strength as a sinster pad. I've used them for years on all my bikes and have had good results. However, there is a drawback to a higher initial bite: depending on your chassis setup, you can pitch the weight on the nose very quickly and possibly upset the bike on corner entry. Lifting the rear off the ground is also a problem and the rider has to learn how to use these pads properly. Braking power that folks often want to improve is confused with the feel of a "tight" MC or pad setup. I've see lots of guys run wicked large MC's and snappy pads seeking stopping power, but instead have to be MORE gently on the brakes or risk going over the handlebars.

I made some chassis and ergonomic changes to help reduce the spinning I was experiencing last time out. Longer gearing was installed to keep the front wheel down as well. The result was I could open the gas harder and stay open for longer, improving my top speed from a previous best of 124mph to 137mph. Combine that with the braking confidence and now I can safely I will be fighting for a podium when I race there later this year. Just need to work on my lines and a few other details. A win is not out of the question...






06-26-2019 10:38 AM
Neonmarine I was pitted right there under the trees and could hear the difference. Things to work on...
06-26-2019 10:15 AM
Otto Man
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Originally Posted by Neonmarine View Post
Thank you so much for that. It's hard to find information on stuff like this and I'll be putting this to good use in July for the WERA round.
I know it's next to impossible to watch since you're also on a big bike and racing the same time they are, (I sold my ZX10 and now have two ZX6's) but I learned a whole hell of a lot that weekend by watching G. May in the A classes. I watched a lot of the races right next to the fence in the paddock (right where you'd crash into if you tucked the front in T3). The biggest take away I had is that he (and none of the other top 5 experts) do not keep tight to the left all the way around T3. I figured they might know how to go fast around there, seeing how May holds the lap record and all.

Also, what all the top experts on big bikes do there is give it hard throttle after T3 while driving into T4. Every single back marker expert/mid pack and below Novices all coast through T3 into T4. It was easily apparent by hearing the big bark from their exhausts going into T4.

Then again, you can't drive into T4 as hard as May and those guys do if your line prevents a good drive...
06-26-2019 06:21 AM
Neonmarine
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Originally Posted by LossPrev View Post
So how's the new AIM dash or is that in the other thread??? Great video and photo(from last month)

I've never heard of an SCX compound before. Is that something you guys have down there for your crazy abrasive tracks? That's one thing I'm thankful for up here, our tires last "forever" but man when it rains or there's some oil dry on the track it gets sketchy.
So the MXK10 is a bit interesting. At the moment is orientated for street bikes and doesn't interface correctly for anyone with a Kit ECU. As for the look and use, its better than the stock dash for sure! I like the location of all my information in one spot for sure. There's still a lot of things I need to learn and get used to. I've only used it one day.

The SCX is also know as the Daytona tire for the 200 mile race down in Florida. They use it at Phillip Island too from what I understand. Don't try to get one, it's not worth it unless your riding in 60 degree weather. Tally is hard on tires but it's also got a high amount of wear so the aggregate is coming through, in the heat the track is slippery. Best lap times usually comes in the morning during the summer.
06-25-2019 12:22 PM
Neonmarine

Images are up 129photo's site and while I wait for my order to get pulled, here's a little sneak peak.
06-25-2019 12:02 PM
Neonmarine
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Originally Posted by Otto Man View Post
Your line going into T3 needs work. You're turning in too quick and having to ride tight and to the left all the way around T3.

From that video you posted, look where you're at in the video at exactly the 5:07 mark. You're about to run off the inside of the track and there's not even any curbing there (Another indicator you shouldn't be there). You are spot on about your own assessment. You acknowledge that your bike has no direction and that you have to slow way down to finish the corner. By direction, I mean if you made no other inputs to the bike, where is the bike pointing? At that 5:07 mark, you're pointing straight off track. If you entered T3 from 15-20 feet over to the right (where you should be), you'll find your bike has direction, pointing into T4. You'll also be on the fat part of the tire and not edge, so you can drive harder.

You're losing 2 seconds in T3 alone. And it was beyond SC2 weather that weekend, you should be on a SC1.
Thank you so much for that. It's hard to find information on stuff like this and I'll be putting this to good use in July for the WERA round.
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