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post #11 of 18 Old 02-01-2019, 05:39 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks for the comments it helps, I will probably go with both because I want to have options in the future!
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post #12 of 18 Old 02-01-2019, 07:09 PM
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let me correct you guys, if the guy that flashes you with woolich, and gives you the password,or simply does not put one on the tune, you can tune the ECU in the dyno..

here there are guys that do nice work tunning... and all the dyno I have done on the gen5, is 10% work on fuel, and 90% on ETVs. this bikes come pretty much good on fuel.



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I never can understand why a flash is recommended with a PCV for fine tuning or even further tuning vs buy Woolich kit get it with autotune and have the ability to do it yourself. I mean Woolich offers so much more in flexibility and options for now and the future.

On my Gen 4 I can triple map.

If you're going to fine tune with a PCV you're going to need a wideband and some kind of data logging or their AT. PCV AT does great in the mid to high TPS settings, but is garbage in the lower loads.

Show me a person with a tuned afr at idle/low loads with a PCV AT and I'll show you a bike with a shitty tune as the weather changes and bike temperature changes.

Finally, what is the difference between a track tune and a street tune? How would different people/shops tune for this? Other than rider preference in ETV settings(most likely track specific as well and not something most people even would notice)no shop or person could generically do for the masses, what is the difference between them?

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Finally, what is the difference between a track tune and a street tune? How would different people/shops tune for this? Other than rider preference in ETV settings(most likely track specific as well and not something most people even would notice)no shop or person could generically do for the masses, what is the difference between them?
As long as you have a big enough pool of data, from multiple tracks, you could fit large group of track riders. SBU's track based flash tune is built off probably hundreds of hours at tracks across the country. With enough splicing and followup testing I'm sure they were able to put something really good together that can meet the needs of the avg track day junkie (they're at least comfortable enough to sell and charge hundreds of dollars for what they've got).
I would think a street tune is more based on straight line dragy/gps data for the ideal 'street racing' scenario lol

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As long as you have a big enough pool of data, from multiple tracks, you could fit large group of track riders. SBU's track based flash tune is built off probably hundreds of hours at tracks across the country. With enough splicing and followup testing I'm sure they were able to put something really good together that can meet the needs of the avg track day junkie (they're at least comfortable enough to sell and charge hundreds of dollars for what they've got).
I would think a street tune is more based on straight line dragy/gps data for the ideal 'street racing' scenario lol
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Here would be my differences in tunes. For most people nothing. Max horsepower and best driveability tune or settings are the same regardless of location within a geographic location. I don't want to get into altitudes, atmospheric pressures, humidity, or the fact none of the ECUs truly measure the air mass coming in and are always providing the best guess at fueling. For most people on most days, this is insignificant.

If I was tuning for something where there would be extended time at WOT in 6th gear then I would add fuel up top and might pull a little timing very high in the rpms.
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My track tune has a bit of ignition retard and runs on the rich side when pumping C12 and nitrous (drag strip).

My street tune is pump gas with a very crispy ignition. Not scaled at all for gogo juice, and a big bump in the + on 0% throttle to keep the popping down on decel (doughnut munchers are real bitches about loud pipes here in Edmonton).

I've wanted to go down the woolich road for some time but my place of employment has all dynojet brand stuff including software, dyno, and product. Anything else would be an uphill battle. I do like the package deal with woolich though and it sounds like they run a tight ship over there. Just a matter of time before I get to try one of those.
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I recently bought a Brocks performance predator 3/4 exhaust and want to do more, they recommend a ECU flash with a power comander v. Is it worth it getting both or am I wasting money?
Why would you do both? A flash is all you need. Brocks should be able to supply a flash that works properly with their exhaust.

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