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post #1 of 12 Old 05-19-2007, 08:49 PM Thread Starter
 
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Thumbs down Installed Brembo MC, brakes still suck !

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I had a shop install the brembo brake master cylinder and they suggested the high-end ceramic racing pads....

The brakes feel almost as spongy as stock and don't grab well at low / medium speed ...

Once they warm up - it seems to work better but there is ZERO initial bite like on my friends RSV Mille-R with the full brembo package...

Is it the race pads?

What pads will make it have lots of initial bite ?
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post #2 of 12 Old 05-19-2007, 08:56 PM
 
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You can't run race pads on the street - it's a safety issue - they won't get up to operating temp ever. The shop likely recommended race pads 'cause they cost so much. The brembo is awesome as long as it's bled well. Try Vesrah's RJL street pads or something comparable. OEM pads are horrid.

I don't like running Galfers 'cause they;re so damn dusty, but their HH pads hav tons of initial bite even cold. Maybe someone here w/ EBC HHs could chime in. Avoid Carbonne Lorraine SBK5 pads if you want initial bite - they are vague despite the fact they stop well.
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i just installed some new galfer lines and ebc HH's and they have great initial bite that just gets better as they warm up. worlds better than stock pads on my 2006 10r. they do give off a bit of dust though not sure about the galfer pads. master cyls arent that great unless you do more to the system than just that.
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Regardless of who installed your M/C, if your lever feels spongy, you are feeling air being compressed in the system. Of course, I am assuming that you are not using 15 year old rubber brake hoses.

I don't think it is due to ceramic pads. I haven't tried ceramic pads on a bike but I have used them on a street driven car for years. It only takes a moderate stop or two before the brakes work well enough for normal usage. I just installed Ferodo HH pads in my 10. In the past, I have used Galfers race pads and Carbonne Lorraine SBK pads. The 10 with the Carbonne Lorraine pads has absolutely no spongyness to it and it is using all stock components, except for hoses. For feel, I have liked the Galfers best. I haven't had enough time on the Ferodo pads to give a valid opinion.

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I have braded steel lines......

My gripe is that there is no initial bite at all... it is identical to stock - my system was bled properly.
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hmm, besides stock on the 06 10r, have the vesrah SJRL pads on now. Initial bite for me is too much for my liking.

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hmm, besides stock on the 06 10r, have the vesrah SJRL pads on now. Initial bite for me is too much for my liking.
I have SRJLs on my race bike. Wouldn't dare try them on the street. One second I'd have no brakes at all, the next moment I'd be flying over the windscreen.

On the track though, they have no equal. Wait til you get a Brembo on there w/ the SRJLs.
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My brake mods 19X18 Brembo, SS lines, Motul RBF, and Galfer HH loving it solid no more spongy levers for me.
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Pads don't have anything to do with spongy feeling. Running the system you have with the brembo and SS lines, your lever should come in a bit then stop with a very firm feeling. Ensure your system is bled properly, sound like a shop didn't do a good job. Get a mity vac and learn how to do it yourself since you had the shop install it. Mine took awhile, and I bled after some short rides. Now, I am pretty confident I have all the air out. Got the 05 6R master with ss lines and it is like a rock (friggen awesome) even after heavy braking during recent trackday Next step is some Vesrah RJLs, which I have heard nothing but good remarks on.



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WTF.

I had a shop install the brembo brake master cylinder and they suggested the high-end ceramic racing pads....

The brakes feel almost as spongy as stock and don't grab well at low / medium speed ...

Once they warm up - it seems to work better but there is ZERO initial bite like on my friends RSV Mille-R with the full brembo package...

Is it the race pads?

What pads will make it have lots of initial bite ?

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My gripe is that there is no initial bite at all... it is identical to stock - my system was bled properly.
Given the MC, ss-lines that lever should be firm like a new pair of 36ee fun bags no matter what pads are in there so bleed the system manually starting with each caliper then finishing with the MC.

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