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What the hell happened to Kawasaki in superbike? Aren't they using bikes that have had a year plus of development? Both BMW and Aprilia stomped all over Kawi. And they are both fielding spanking new bikes without nearly as much development. Suzuki sure knows how to field a new bike for racing.

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What the hell happened to Kawasaki in superbike? Aren't they using bikes that have had a year plus of development? Both BMW and Aprilia stomped all over Kawi. And they are both fielding spanking new bikes without nearly as much development. Suzuki sure knows how to field a new bike for racing.

I watched both races and superpole, and let me tell you they looked pitafull, flat out terible! They showed part of only one of Brock Parkes superpole run and that bike was all over the place, looked horribly unstable. Not gonna be a good year at all unless they get some serious R&D un.

Oh and all the dumb fucks that were calling Laconi a bum for the last few years, saying he sucked and could not ride the kawi, well, check his first weekend back on a competitive bike, speaks a thousand words, Kawi racing is a disaster!


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I feel the time has come for even the most avid Kawi fan to accept, with a hefty dose of realism, that the ZX10R is a good bike ... but not a great one. In terms of its racing pedigree, the bike has never really come close to its competitors - even after several years of development.

The fact that newcomers such as Aprilia and BMW whip the Kawi on first outing is just plain embarrassing.

Nobody can blame the riders. When they've changed to other rides, they've done remarkably well [Laconi; Nieto; etc] and yet the ZX10R languishes at the back of the field even with talented newcomers.

Sadly, exactly the same commentary could be made of the MotoGP series. Nakano did well when he left for Honda in 2007, and the brilliant Hopkins [4th in 2007] fell apart when trying to wrestle the ZX-RR. The only manufacturer not to score a podium, or even come close, last year - Dang !!

In summary, we need to come to the realisation that Kawasaki have been building crap race bikes for several years now. The factory engineers seem devoid of any ideas; the race team management were clueless; and the senior company executives prove themselves to be complete idiots following the MotoGP exit debacle.

As for me, I'll continue to ride my beast with pride for a bit longer ... but I'm equally resigned to the fact that my next ride will NOT be a Kawasaki. I simply can't bare the embarrassment much longer ...
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Sadly I have become used to NOT seeing a Kawi on the podium. Its a pitiful state of affairs.

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I watched both races and superpole, and let me tell you they looked pitafull, flat out terible! They showed part of only one of Brock Parkes superpole run and that bike was all over the place, looked horribly unstable. Not gonna be a good year at all unless they get some serious R&D un.

Oh and all the dumb fucks that were calling Laconi a bum for the last few years, saying he sucked and could not ride the kawi, well, check his first weekend back on a competitive bike, speaks a thousand words, Kawi racing is a disaster!
Laconi's even riding a NON-FACTORY Ducati 1098RS with DFX Corse, beating (badly mind you) the FACTORY Kawasaki team that he left. SAD! :headshake



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Sadly I have become used to NOT seeing a Kawi on the podium. Its a pitiful state of affairs.
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Im glad this thread has come to light, i was sick after watching kawi's performance this weekend, what in the f*ck is the problem???? when a brand spankin new aprilla, bmw, gsxr 1K, & R1 whip a bike that has had a year's devolopment there is something terribly wrong. I love zx-10's but gosh dang are they really that shitty compaired to the others?

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I feel the time has come for even the most avid Kawi fan to accept, with a hefty dose of realism, that the ZX10R is a good bike ... but not a great one. In terms of its racing pedigree, the bike has never really come close to its competitors - even after several years of development.

In summary, we need to come to the realisation that Kawasaki have been building crap race bikes for several years now. The factory engineers seem devoid of any ideas; the race team management were clueless; and the senior company executives prove themselves to be complete idiots following the MotoGP exit debacle.

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You have got all of that right....from gen one through gen 3's...as a race bike they are an illusion..

Spies comes from a supposedly inferior racing series, gets on a brand new bike with essentially a never run in competion engine and look what he accomplishes in the second race in the opening series of the season.................


so much for AMA superbike riders can't compete on the world level...

I like my 06 10r and would not trade it for any other at the moment...but all the talk of .....(pick a generation) is going to kick butt on the track at a professional level is nothing but wishful thinking.
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As far as WSBK goes I think the 06-07 10R was the most competitive. I think if Kawi just refined the 06 some more it would have been in the hunt. The 08-09's seem to do okay in club racing.

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Unfortunately our beloved ZX-10R though competitive in stock or mildly modified trim has never been very successful in the highest levels of competition. The best years to me would have to be when Chris Walker in 2004 and 2005, had scored numerous top 10 reults and many exciting finishes with my favourite being when he beat James Toseland on a factory Ducati on a fierce last lap battle.

Top tier racing success on most levels requires huge capital investment, and I think Kawi was the stingiest of the factory fielded teams. The ZX-10R is also notoriously difficult to set up which really doesn't help either.

My advice to Kawi is to sideline Yanagawa as their development rider, and hire someone like a Rossi with some insight in coming up with a clean sheet redesign. Although it won't be cheap to do, it would stem the tide of humiliation that Team Green inflicts on their reputation among their loyal fans. Finishing near the tail of the field does nothing to market your product. It's better not to race at all.

I finally understand what the R stand's for on my ZX-10R. It stands for "Rear guard" as we're often pulling up the rear. Perhaps instead of the Monster edition they should have done a new special called the ZX-10BE, for "Backmarkers Edition"
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yeah kawi needs to step the game up bigtime in racing. this season is going to be another great year for world superbike...well i guess except for kawi as we can assume they will be in the back of the pack with the bmw's...maybe oneday kawi will get their crap together for racing

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