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post #1 of 32 Old 05-30-2006, 09:59 AM Thread Starter
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Real Race bike setup? Spring rates?

Just curious.

Anybody out there running an 05 ZX10R at or near the front of there regional club?

If you are on Dunlops KR 120 / 195's

What spring rates are you running?

I was running .95 front .95 rear
Having trouble getting the bike to stop chattering and weaving(badly)
Bike felt so stiff, I thought I was going to loose my fillings. So I went to a
475 rear spring (.95 = 500 aprx) Huge change, bike was ridable, and set my personal best times on it.

However, in some long sweeping high spped corners the front is still chattering, and I have almost 50 mm sag set into it, and barely use all the travel (hence prob to stiff)

So I am looking for simple answers from real deal racers.. What spring rates you got in your bikes...

By the way I weight 200 lbs no gear.

Ohlins actually recommends the .95 / .95 combo, but I couldn't ride it that way.

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I think Im runnin 525 spring in the rear, and not sure about the front, but I thought .95, with traction std internals.

with the penske tripple rear.

My geometry is very steep, and Im runnin the 209s 190/60 rear.

only prob I have is over 160mph headshake...but thats just about tuned out.

Sorry I cant really be more specific, I leave most of the suspension stuff to my man, Jim Cambora, www.raceworxusa.com




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i run a .95 in the front-traxxion internals and gonna have to look to see what the rear spring on my ohlins is. I have my front sag at 34.5mm and my rear at 27mm. I run michelin power race pr's which are 190/50 but have heard they will be going to a 190/55 rear soon.

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oh and I only weigh about 155 nekked. And i have raised my rear 3mm and lowered the front 3mm

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.95 in the forks, 550 on the shock with the 636 linkage. 20/35 sag in front and 10/30 sag in the rear. Used to run the 1.0 in the front and always had corner exit problems (push). If you are having trouble bottoming the front then look at oil level. The .95 is not to stiff for your weight. If you are not bottoming the front and your dynamics are good then take some oil out. What are you running for a shock? The 475 shock spring is too light for 200 lbs. What are your ride heights?

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.95 in the forks, 550 on the shock with the 636 linkage. 20/35 sag in front and 10/30 sag in the rear. Used to run the 1.0 in the front and always had corner exit problems (push). If you are having trouble bottoming the front then look at oil level. The .95 is not to stiff for your weight. If you are not bottoming the front and your dynamics are good then take some oil out. What are you running for a shock? The 475 shock spring is too light for 200 lbs. What are your ride heights?
Not meaning to thread jack here as I am very interested on how this shapes up. Madkaw sounds spot on based on text book theories.

I am 200lbs gearless and have a 04 10r. Just about to do the suspension on it. The suspension tech suggested I go .975 on the spring on the front which sounds a bit stiff especially if some people are experiencing chattering with .95 springs. This tech suggested to a full revalve (traxxion AK20) with a fork extender and keep the back end low (penske tripple) for stability purposes. He has an ideal rake/trail/swing arm angle settings that works for his clients... i don't know what those are... yet.

So those who done it, does the 6r link yield a faster lap time on a smooth track? All i've heard is that it makes it less harsh on the bumps which is secondary to lap time.

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Not meaning to thread jack here as I am very interested on how this shapes up. Madkaw sounds spot on based on text book theories.

I am 200lbs gearless and have a 04 10r. Just about to do the suspension on it. The suspension tech suggested I go .975 on the spring on the front which sounds a bit stiff especially if some people are experiencing chattering with .95 springs. This tech suggested to a full revalve (traxxion AK20) with a fork extender and keep the back end low (penske tripple) for stability purposes. He has an ideal rake/trail/swing arm angle settings that works for his clients... i don't know what those are... yet.

So those who done it, does the 6r link yield a faster lap time on a smooth track? All i've heard is that it makes it less harsh on the bumps which is secondary to lap time.
If you are 200 then the .975 is actually ideal for you on the track. A little stiff but not too stiff. I just got off the phone with traxxion and they confirmed that .950 is a touch light and .975 is a touch heavy for 200 lbs. Like I said before if you cannot bottom these then it is either rider of fluid. I could bottom the 1.0 after taking about 6mm of fluid out. Setting them to 96mm instead of 90 as stock. But it was still too harsh and pushing.
I think wstaab done the initial 636 mod. I found the opposite of what he stated that going to the 636 linkage requires a softer spring. I actually went up 50lbs to keep the same settings. I would not sag the rear ride height. I lowered the rear to keep the same height when running 209's or the sportmax slick. It tank slapped terrible. A revalve is nice and the cartridges are excellent..... but...... it kills you when you spent all that money on suspension and a stock one goes around you. According to traxxion one of the most unadjusted things on track bikes is the front free sag. Alot are set at 10 to 12mm and in fact it needs to be around 20.
Also the rear free sag on these things makes a big difference. Most people set at 3-5mm. Set it at 10 and see what happens. Of course this is going to require a stiffer spring but all the sportrider.com and generic settings are not ideal for the track. Ex.. sag total and free.

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