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Car A/C R-134 info

First my truck that i drive to work and play in is a 91 and it has an R-12 system.

I've heard when changing to R-134 freon you have to change the compressor oil/ o-rings and totally vacum the old r-12 out before adding the new R-134

I've also heard this is pure A/C industry B/S and have talked to several people that have added r-134 to older r-12 systems and had no problems, a guy i work with has done this to an older car he has about 3 years ago with no problems yet, he just bought the adapters needed ........and vented the leftover R-12 :headshake ( yea i know thats bad for the O-zone) before adding the R-134.

Have searched the net and found info supporting both sides, just curious if anybody here had some input on it?

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i just went through this (sorta) on my 93 ford. the previous owner had it retrofitted from r-12 to r-134. it needed a recharge, so i took it down to the a/c shop. the owner told me that switching it over to 134 causes you to lose about 20% of the cooling power. he also told me you can use a new freon called .....i think it was called "freeze 12". i guess it's an r-12 substitute that works better than changing the whole system.

here's a link for ya http://www.freeze12.com/

ask your shop if they can get it! good luck

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Thanks for the link i'll check it out

Are we the only ones here driving older vehicles

Surely somebody else has some info

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In California I read they are getting ready to ban 134 for home mechanics..must be installed by a shop.

The R12 is definitely cooler than the R-134 but more expensive and not available anymore like the 134 and yes adapters are available to convert.
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Thanks for the link i'll check it out

Are we the only ones here driving older vehicles

Surely somebody else has some info
well, i live in a hurricane prone area, so i wanted a beater. ended up loving the damn thing! i lifted it, add 35" mudders, and voila! the perfect bronco!

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If you have a leak in your car no shop can fill it back up with R12 you have to get it retrofitted and you cant just do it in your back yard because you have to recover (thats for normal people) then you have to vacuum for at least 20 minutes to get all the moisture out then you charge it. Ive heard people not changing the O rings but you have to vacuum it to work right. I can get a R134 car to blow 40 deg. thats cold enough for me.
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i just went through this (sorta) on my 93 ford. the previous owner had it retrofitted from r-12 to r-134. it needed a recharge, so i took it down to the a/c shop. the owner told me that switching it over to 134 causes you to lose about 20% of the cooling power. he also told me you can use a new freon called .....i think it was called "freeze 12". i guess it's an r-12 substitute that works better than changing the whole system.

here's a link for ya http://www.freeze12.com/

ask your shop if they can get it! good luck
freeze 12 is a propane based refrigerant and should not be used. it's a band aid fix, not a true solution.
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how could you consider that knowing the adverse effects it will have on the precious ozone layer!




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freeze 12 is a propane based refrigerant and should not be used. it's a band aid fix, not a true solution.
freeze 12 is not propane based. "FR-12" or "Freeze-12" or "Frigc" are simply 134a with an additive that makes it slightly less violently incompatible with mineral oil

OZ-12 or HC-12 are blends of isobutane and isopropane. They work very well in R-12 systems, and have no oil incompatibility problems. THEY are flammable.

There are quite a number of drawbacks to R134a in R12 systems. 134a moves much less heat than 12, which means that your 12 system's effectiveness will be sharply cut, especially when you need it most (stuck in traffic/real hot days). 134a is not compatible with the oil used in R12 systems, and the oil required for 134a reacts poorly with residues that cannot be flushed from a system that has run on 12. This reaction breaks down the oil and frequently destroys the compressor.

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how could you consider that knowing the adverse effects it will have on the precious ozone layer!
freeze 12 contains no CFC's.

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