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post #1 of 20 Old 11-15-2011, 10:02 PM Thread Starter
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Big Brother at it again- car black boxes

Many will already know about the black boxes in some cars. But did you know how many cars, when they started, and what all the black box records?
Read the link and see for yourselves. Won't be long before Insurance companies base your policy off your driving habits.(yeah, I'm a little paranoid but this s BS)

http://money.msn.com/auto-insurance/...insurance.aspx

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Blk boxes are in big rigs to..it can make or break a driver..The so called blk boxes records everything from a base starting point but i dont imagine it will be an issue till a major accident happens..
IN big rigs,pppffftttt dot has the right to plug into it damn near any time but it can be a sentitive subject in the eyes of the law..Here in canada the ontario and quebec dot can legally plug into a rigs ecu just to look but not able to make any changes,I hear storys that there has been cases of a virus put into the trucks ecu by mistake costing truckers big $$

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if we can hack our bike ECU... I'm sure the black box can be hacked...

Progressive insurance already gives you a price break if you run there "black box".

I suppose my cage will be my "normal drive" and my bike... will just magically be stuck in 6th gear all the time and the speedo healer will "unheal" the speed to 11.3 mph top speed all the time.



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I believe it is Progressive auto insurance here that is giving the drivers of autos the option of installing GPS based tracking data recorders in their cars/trucks. They claim it is ONLY used to "lower" ones rates on their policy if the data collected shows they were a good, non speeding, non traffic law breaker in a year. Then the owners policy would be lowered. They claim those that opted for the GPS data collection that had poor driving, traffic law infractions, speeders, would not be penalized unless an accident or ticket occurred. Meaning if you were a frequent speeder(40 in a 35mph) with no tickets your rates would not go up.
Really, what that comes down to is an initial "trial/test" and the insurance company is seeking volunteers to work the bugs out of the GPS data collection tracking device. Then, it will become standard to have your insurance policy renewal rates based off of what the data dictates to the company. fast driver, agressive driver, hard braker, rapid acceleration etc.
It is only a matter of time before this happens. When, who knows. But it will happen. The "volunteers' who agree to stick the GPS recorder in their vehicles are the testers to help work the bugs out for them. I can't be certain it was Progressive who announced this plan for 2012. But, it was one of the top 10 Insurers in the US.

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if we can hack our bike ECU... I'm sure the black box can be hacked...

Progressive insurance already gives you a price break if you run there "black box".

I suppose my cage will be my "normal drive" and my bike... will just magically be stuck in 6th gear all the time and the speedo healer will "unheal" the speed to 11.3 mph top speed all the time.
LOL, I typed too Slow. IT IS PROGRESSIVE!! I thought so.

Thanks for confirming. And yes, I'm sure it can be hacked, tricked, manipulated in some way. Just like a 02 sensor in a car can so the ECU does not throw a CEL code if catless. Or, turning off the traction/Torque management in the Vette's ECU via tuning software. Some how, some where, somebody will create a patch to disable or re write the black box's data to be a "GOOD" driver.

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I have friend that will do anything to save a penny. He already had the progressive black box.

I am waiting for the day that they black box has a transmitter to tattle tale on you so you can get your tickets without a witness.

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I have friend that will do anything to save a penny. He already had the progressive black box.

I am waiting for the day that they black box has a transmitter to tattle tale on you so you can get your tickets without a witness.
man, that will be scary as hell!
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Wouldn't a mandatory black box be considered and invasion of privacy? If an insurance company were in instate this, I expect that it would be optional for the additional savings. Were they to make it mandatory, they would first lose alot of customers and second, have lawsuits, protests, and petitions against it.

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. Seven states prohibit insurance contracts from requiring policyholders to consent to access: Connecticut, New Hampshire, New York, Oregon, Texas, Virginia and Washington.
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I own too old of vehicles so I still have nothing to worry about. AND as long as it is not on my bike, I have nothing to worry about.
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