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post #1 of 15 Old 07-05-2019, 06:58 PM Thread Starter
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Race shift conundrum

Hi people, having real troubles figuring out race shift setup on this bike. I’ve picked up a gen 5 that currently has R&G rearsets in road trim and I want race shift.

Usually I would simply flip the arm on the rearsets but it looks like this is impossible due to the rod and sensor not having any clearance against the frame.

Is there a simple solution or a part I can buy to make this possible?

I have the race ECU but in the manual I also can’t see anywhere I can change the push pull sensor, so I’m thinking that rules out flipping the linkage at the shaft end (not that it would work anyway due to the frame clearance issue).

Can anyone help???
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There's several ways to do it. You can use a Gen 3 shift arm and adapt it to the quickshift sensor, but that requires reflashing the ECU to reverse the direction of the sensor. It can be done in the Woolich software and with the FTEcu software for additional cost. Not quite sure about the race ECU software, but I'm sure it's also capable.

The quickest and easiest way to do it is with a bellcrank adapter. That keeps the sensor orientation stock and all the linkages the same. The problems here are that it is a bolt-on part to the stock rearsets and is not exactly cheap. Worth it though.

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Thanks for the info. No, not cheap, but having spent a lot more time looking at it I can see how it’s the logical method. For the money though, it sort of makes more sense to buy another set of rear sets..

It looks like Vortex and Driven are the best race shift options. Any opinions on these?
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Thanks for the info. No, not cheap, but having spent a lot more time looking at it I can see how itís the logical method. For the money though, it sort of makes more sense to buy another set of rear sets..

It looks like Vortex and Driven are the best race shift options. Any opinions on these?


Both are good quality. The Vortex is more popular which means parts are typically more available.

Going aftermarket like that will give you more options. Again, going to a GP shift pattern is relatively straight forward and the easy part. It's keeping the quick shift sensor integrated that's the problem. Especially if you want to add auto-blip in the future. Reversing the shift arm won't allow the sensor to be retained without hitting the frame.


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I went with the Vortex rearsets, and they seem great so far and no need to the change the quick shift sensor direction if going GP shift.
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What about using one of the aftermarket pieces to flip the direction? They look designed to position the shift arm further out and away from the frame and would give the sensor space. Like the attached Bonamici rearset piece in the diagram.
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What about using one of the aftermarket pieces to flip the direction? They look designed to position the shift arm further out and away from the frame and would give the sensor space. Like the attached Bonamici rearset piece in the diagram.
You can flip the gear-change lever (circled in your picture) but you won't be able to use the OEM quick shifter. I think you'll have to use the Woolich race tools or some type of aftermarket shifter to use GP shift. I can check tonight and see if the Bonamici gear lever is any different than the OEM one... I think it does bring the shift rod further away from the the frame as you said.
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What about using one of the aftermarket pieces to flip the direction? They look designed to position the shift arm further out and away from the frame and would give the sensor space. Like the attached Bonamici rearset piece in the diagram.

That piece looks identical to the Gen 3 shift arm. While it looks like it will space out the sensor, its really doesn't. The frame is angled out in that area and the sensor will get pinched between the shift pedal and the frame. At least when I tried to use the Gen 3 arm, I couldn't make it work reasonably. What ddipaola mentioned above would also be required with the reflash to reverse the sensor. He's offered to verify it, so let's wait for his feedback on it for sure.



It looks like the Vortex rearsets have adopted the bellcrank now on their newer version. Thaat would be the way to go. Unless you can find an aftermarket QS sensor, I'm not sure there's many options with just fliping the shift arm like in the past.

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Easiest way would be with the adapter Sky showed above. Or get a rear set that changes the shift lever mounting position like the Evol Technology rear sets that you can order in GP shift. This will let you install them and keep the sensor in STD shift so you don't have to do anything with the ECU but lets you run GP shift by way of changing the mechanical input/leverage to the sensor itself.

If using the commonly available ECU editing softwares out there they should allow you to change the shift sensor direction if you go with a rear set option that requires flipping the sensor itself. Or if using the KRT FI Cal software, under parameter list item 46, you can change that value between 4 or 5 to change the sensor direction.

So you have options either way, it just stinks because you're going to have to spend a few sheckels to make it work. That is one of the things that Yamaha did that I applaud with the 15+ R1 was the pretty trick 'feature' allowing the OEM rear sets/shift lever to be drilled out and tapped to easily change over to GP shift.
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