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After reading post #11 (evallarta1), I'm thinking what should we do about 2016 geometry then?
How much stuck are we with exessive trail when we shoud not raise rear because swingarm angle may be perfect already?
Lets say we are not moving swingarm pivot (stays standard) and try to get rake from 25 to 24 to steer better.
We lower front some 20mm (almost an inch) and set swingarm angle to 12.5 after that.
Let's assume doing this we got acceptable trail number (rake arround 24 degrees).
Trail, rake, swingarm numbers are better now, but are we now having problem with too much weigth on front tyre, beacuse front was lowered too much??
Now lets use swingarm kit inserts and move pivot point down as much as possible, put forks to standard and set swingarm angle to "twelve comma something".
How much does new swingarm pivot position help reduce trail (and rake)?
Will it be enough to get trail in ballpark for fast A group rider?
Or are in addition triple clamps with bigger offset needed?
Man that's such a hard question to answer due to so many variables. Just changing tire manufacture and/or size can change geometry drastically. Perfect example is I have a guy who changed from Pirelli DOTs to Bridgestone Slicks, and after seeing the numbers, I wont let him get on the bike due to a really bad setup. And the bike was perfectly setup for him on the Pirellis.
In addition, every rider is different. Yes, there is a range that most people fall into for geometry setup, but feedback is just as important. So a bike that one person riders may feel perfect, but than throw someone else on and if feels like garbage. Things like how you sit on the bike, how hard you are on the throttle, brakes, input of the bars etc all play a role in how a bike is setup.
And last thing to keep in mind, MotoAmerica has limited what riders can do to the bike in superstock. So for those guys they kind of have to work with what they got. Everyone else can use the race kit, a.m. triples etc and probably get a damn good setup. The big question is what's available, how big is your pocketbook, and finding the right combination. Truthfully, anything is possible with the right tools and parts.
Sorry I cant give you a clear cut answer, but it just doesnt work that way. There are just way too many variables to have a "magic setup" for every bike.