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post #11 of 42 Old 03-26-2007, 03:41 PM
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Patent= Working, or good airway (he's breathing)


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In attempting to help my fallen friend, Maruice, we had to make a pretty quick decision to take off his helmet. No pulse. I had learned at a BMW dealer clinic to open the bottom as wide as you can. Stretch it open.

I think, most of the time, you will find more people than you need, even in BFE. In our tragic case, we had med students, a cardiologist, a BMW riding fireman and plenty of people with water, phones and all. Had we been out there alone, it would have been "sack up time". Also, I learned you can only do 100 beats per minute using CPR for 5 or so minutes before you drop too. You need 2-3 people to sustain the process.
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In attempting to help my fallen friend, Maruice, we had to make a pretty quick decision to take off his helmet. No pulse. I had learned at a BMW dealer clinic to open the bottom as wide as you can. Stretch it open.

I think, most of the time, you will find more people than you need, even in BFE. In our tragic case, we had med students, a cardiologist, a BMW riding fireman and plenty of people with water, phones and all. Had we been out there alone, it would have been "sack up time". Also, I learned you can only do 100 beats per minute using CPR for 5 or so minutes before you drop too. You need 2-3 people to sustain the process.
Doing chest compressions gets old fast. Sorry about your friend, sounds like you did all you could for him.
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Good information as always.

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I have read that before, excellent read! There is nothing more valuable than knowledge, especially when it comes to something as important as this! +1 for a good post! I think it definately deserves a sticky :)

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If you're serious about being prepared for this kind of situation, and in the UK, then it's useful to know that the St. John's Ambulance do a motorcycle specific First Aid course.

The course I did was tailored to the racing event I was marshalling at, but it covered exactly the things listed in the first post - what to do, how to do it, and getting other people to be useful.

There was far too much for me to type out here, but there were a lot of little things that can help - e.g. approaching a fallen rider from the feet so they don't turn their head to look at you. We also did proper helmet removal, and checking/opening airways while the helmet is still on.
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If you're serious about being prepared for this kind of situation, and in the UK, then it's useful to know that the St. John's Ambulance do a motorcycle specific First Aid course.

The course I did was tailored to the racing event I was marshalling at, but it covered exactly the things listed in the first post - what to do, how to do it, and getting other people to be useful.

There was far too much for me to type out here, but there were a lot of little things that can help - e.g. approaching a fallen rider from the feet so they don't turn their head to look at you. We also did proper helmet removal, and checking/opening airways while the helmet is still on.
It's sad but the first thing most Good Samaratins do is pull off helmets...educational courses are awesome, everyone should take one, and take your family with you.
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I am a medic in Dallas. If you are hurt so bad that you can't tell me your medical information or next of kin. I won't be wasting time looking through your cell phone trying to figure out who to call. I will be working to save your life. I have never seen or truly heard of ICE being used by emergency personnel.
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It is recommended in American Heart that a typical lay person not assess for pulse in the guide lines due to studys showing that that most can not find one even though the person had a good pulse. It is recommended that a lay person look for signs of life. Breathing , movement , groaning, etc. Before attempting cpr. Also I would strongly recommend that a one not try to remove any material from a perons mouth manually. American heart states that the victim should remove the object on their own & should only be removed by a rescuer if their is a total blockage of the airway. All so I found that 98% of motorcycle accident victims suffer either a open or closed head injury and that the most important thing a lay person is get help. For the thing that can save them is a helicopter, blood & jet fuel.
The removing whats in there airway sounds like bad advice, whos to know if its a total blockage or not? And if it isnt that doesnt mean it wont be when it moves. At the end of the day if you dont breath you die, so I would be hoping anyone removed what was blocking my throat straight away.
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on the lighter side dont take ice and you wont have an accident
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