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post #21 of 49 Old 06-08-2016, 11:17 AM
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You also don't have American drivers. I've dealt with them for 23+ years in my profession, and can say that a lot (though not all) do not share the road well with other cars, much less motorcycles. Add traffic congestion and road rage and you have a mix that has the high potential for tragedy. I am but a lowly minion of the state but have seen far too many accidents and fatalities involving motorcycles and just foresee bad things here. Actually was in a couple with one almost taking my own life. Neither saw me and were blissfully unaware that I was there. While it may work well in Oz, and frankly other countries as well, I don't think it would go as smooth here. I speak for Texas, so Oregon and Washington drivers (and other states) may have better results than what I have seen here.
It's interesting you bring this up as I was just reflecting on this last weekend.

Most people in SoCal just want to get where they are going and don't want trouble. Yeah, you can find it, there are seriously bad actors here waiting to be set off, but if you mind your own business and cut the other guy some slack, np

Been living down here for over 24 years. Ride in this stuff all that time, 50,000 miles in the last three years. People are just used to us out there lane-sharing for the most part.

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It's interesting you bring this up as I was just reflecting on this last weekend.

Most people in SoCal just want to get where they are going and don't want trouble. Yeah, you can find it, there are seriously bad actors here waiting to be set off, but if you mind your own business and cut the other guy some slack, np

Been living down here for over 24 years. Ride in this stuff all that time, 50,000 miles in the last three years. People are just used to us out there lane-sharing for the most part.
I truly like lane splitting and wish it could be implemented here. It might be a good thing in Texas with a lot of promotion before the law took effect. But I fear the angry, hate filled people will want to take someone out. Laws for murder and manslaughter are already on the books, but that doesn't seem to stop people.

Back to original intent of the thread, I don't believe a new licensing law will be effective or is warranted. As was stated earlier, I believe it is only an attempt to generate additional revenue. I also don't see how it could be rationally enforced. L.E. has enough to worry about without having additional arbitrary laws to enforce.
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I truly like lane splitting and wish it could be implemented here. It might be a good thing in Texas with a lot of promotion before the law took effect. But I fear the angry, hate filled people will want to take someone out. Laws for murder and manslaughter are already on the books, but that doesn't seem to stop people.

Back to original intent of the thread, I don't believe a new licensing law will be effective or is warranted. As was stated earlier, I believe it is only an attempt to generate additional revenue. I also don't see how it could be rationally enforced. L.E. has enough to worry about without having additional arbitrary laws to enforce.
I am not aware of any licensure requirement or fees being mentioned as part of this. I think some comments were suggesting that's what it could come to, especially in Calfornia where things are perceived as being crazy socialistic. From where I sit, as explained by the representives of our parent company here (motorcycle.com), it sounds like a good thing. California has actually taken pretty good care of its motorcycle community over the years. I spoke directly to one of our senators, who admitted that motorcycling is in fact a lifestyle and its adherents are very faithful to that lifestyle.

What this person was saying, and rightly so, is we motorcyclists will fight pretty tenaciously for the privilege of riding and not being encumbered with a lot of excess fees and restrictions.

We've got a year-round riding season and millions of registered motorcycles, many of whom vote or could vote if they were concerned enough.

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I am not aware of any licensure requirement or fees being mentioned as part of this. I think some comments were suggesting that's what it could come to, especially in Calfornia where things are perceived as being crazy socialistic. From where I sit, as explained by the representives of our parent company here (motorcycle.com), it sounds like a good thing. California has actually taken pretty good care of its motorcycle community over the years. I spoke directly to one of our senators, who admitted that motorcycling is in fact a lifestyle and its adherents are very faithful to that lifestyle.

What this person was saying, and rightly so, is we motorcyclists will fight pretty tenaciously for the privilege of riding and not being encumbered with a lot of excess fees and restrictions.

We've got a year-round riding season and millions of registered motorcycles, many of whom vote or could vote if they were concerned enough.

You say that, but there are like 9 MILLION gun owners in the state of California and they get railroaded by legislation non-stop and it keeps getting worse every year. Very few people outside the state of CA realize that we have to have bullet button devices on our rifles, 10 round magazine limits, can only purchase the specific guns the state allows us to which keeps shrinking every year, can only purchase one handgun every 30 days and a myriad of other laws in the same vein and now they are trying to limit the purchase of ammunition etc it never stops even though millions of legal law abiding gun owning citizens have never done anything wrong.

There are only 800,000 registered motorcycles which means a lot less owners as many people own more than one and I guarantee you that at some point in time somebody in this state is going to start some shit that says motorcycles are dangerous and should be outlawed and eventually it will happen A lot more people are killed annually on motorcycles than were ever even injured on 3-Wheeled ATV's and they successfully banned them!

Just like they have done with guns and anything else that the liberal majority eventually decides is not good for society and wants to legislate against. It's already happening all around us with other products and this could easily be the start of a really slippery slope for motorcycle riders in general. You think you have a voice and this is a good thing, but I have yet to witness anything good come from California politicians legislating individual rights let alone privileges.
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Yep the Gulag grows. It always amazed me that CA allowed lane splitting at all. Around here people would run you over and blame you for wreckless driving for splitting lanes. Very illegal. But we can ride two abreast, which is not legal in many states. Bottom line is, big bro wants a say in everything, so get out your wallet and try to keep up with the rules.
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You think you have a voice and this is a good thing, but I have yet to witness anything good come from California politicians legislating individual rights let alone privileges.
I cannot say I disagree with that. We thankfully recalled Gray Davis a while back, and I will say to his credit that Brown has got this state back to a budget surplus, so there are some bright spots here and there.

I have no idea where everyone lives who posts here but the actual experience of living and riding in CA is a little different than what one might hear about.

But there again, there was a totally wrong-headed bureaucrat who wanted to mandate putting GPS in all vehicles, supposedly to track and tax mileage. That was such a ridiculous invasion of privacy that it was dismissed out of hand.

But of course nowadays everyone has a cell phone and those can be easily tracked even if the "location services" are turned off. Audio, video, and location can be remotely activated by the authorities quite easily.

And then there are almost all new cars that have GPS and location tracking built-in. So the state didn't have to install the devices, they are willingly accepted by the consumer.

Well, we will be keeping an eye on this for sure.

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Yep the Gulag grows. It always amazed me that CA allowed lane splitting at all. Around here people would run you over and blame you for wreckless driving for splitting lanes. Very illegal. But we can ride two abreast, which is not legal in many states. Bottom line is, big bro wants a say in everything, so get out your wallet and try to keep up with the rules.
LDH -- I don't doubt that CC's or HP restrictions are coming. Graduated licenses, etc. The bikes have already been neutered with stability (wheelie) controls, traction controls, ABS, electronic throttles, noise controls, etc. The days of unrestricted liter bikes are over. Reflash not included!!
It's a funny thing about all that. There have been attempts by the government to limit power and restrict bikes, proposals for tiered licensing, but the AMA and Motorcycle Industry Council managed to shoot them all down.

There was the onerous "Danforth Bill" which history follows:

They’re Killing Our Kids – The Danforth Anti Superbike Bill and the Strange Story of the IIHS and Horsepower

Then there was Joan Claybrook, who wanted all kinds of things on motorcycles, like seat belts, pressure switches, 85 mph speedometers, and so on.

I have been riding since 1983 so I have a good sense of what happened with all this stuff. The industry met it very effectively. Superbikes were not banned; the only kind of regulation I can think of was when the Hayabusa first cracked 200 mph, which resulted in the industry "self-adopting" an electronic speed limiter of 186 mph (300 kph). Superbikes are more super than anyone could have imagined, making over 200 HP.

I think it was crap 20 years ago as far as the bikes we had available. 30 years ago it was great, there were all kinds of bikes of all sizes and types. When the Ninja 600 and Hurricane 600 came out, the makers just turned all of their facilities to churning out 600 and 1000cc sportbikes and all the other cool bikes just went away. Nowadays we have a whole slew of 300s, 500s, 700s, twins, singles, all kinds of different bikes, and most of them have ABS and other electronics packages.

The AMA and MIC were able to work with the safety freaks to promise these systems would be on bikes by a certain time and that's what happened. So I don't think we are in any danger of having superbikes banned any longer. Licensing, changes there are also unlikely. But then again, if we start getting a lot of hooligan riding and piss the public off, that could come.

As far as noise control, ECU, all that, well, the public is just not going to tolerate noise beyond a certain level. We are a society so unless one is a sociopath or anarchist these are perfectly reasonable. CHP hardly pays the slightest attention to pipes anyway, they don't want to worry about that unless the biker is stopped for some other reason. This is policy, how they do it.

I use to rejet every bike I had, put on a pipe, and so on. These bikes I have now are all pretty new, use EFI and computers, they all run great and don't a dang thing so I have not had to put any time or money into getting more power. I did reflash my FZ8 which helped it quite a bit. It's just so much nicer not to have mess with all that gasoline and jets and crap.

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I have personally given testimony in front of a legislative committee that was trying enact some of the very laws you just mentioned. It is very difficult to combat the poor image of sportbikers portrayed by the legislators when they take a random laptop off the table and within mere seconds of doing a google search bring up an almost infinite list of videos showing sportbikes being wheelied and crashed on public roads right there in front of the entire boardroom.

Another case I was not intimately involved in was a state trying to pass a bill that basically stated if you get in an accident on a motorcycle without a helmet that the state did not have to offer medical treatment to save your life. Now that sounds almost innocuous and even prudent to some of us that ALWAYS wear a helmet out of just commonsense, but if/when a bill like that passes you can bet your ass that the next time it is changed it will be riding gear or maybe they just say if your motorcycle has more than 100hp it absolves the state from assisting you or maybe 500cc is the max displacement etc. They will always find ways to whittle down your rights slowly, but surely by punitive measures. Once that happens what is to stop them from going after sportscars because they are more risk than a sedan. At what point do they start to refuse medical treatment to obese people because their life choice to be fat and put themselves at risk for diabetes, heart disease etc is not conducive to the states best interest in providing medical care. This is where this all leads and do not think for one second that there are not people out there right this very second trying to take away your privilege of riding a motorcycle.
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...do not think for one second that there are not people out there right this very second trying to take away your privilege of riding a motorcycle.
That's exactly right. Thank God the Constitution places many of these things within the realm of civil rights. One guy wanted legislation that provided any motorcyclist who wasn't wearing a helmet was by that act consenting to be an organ donor. These guys are wrong-headed and biased and they need to be opposed vigorously.

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I have been riding in California since 1982 and even use to ride when there was NO Helmet LAW....but and can't imagine not doing it again today even though I almost lost my life last year in a Accident going up front in a stop light turning green splitting lanes....one member on this site I will not even mention names suggested it was my fault with no substance behind his hatred but bottom line I got back on the horse and still lane split to this day...... I don't want to sit behind cars and wait for someone texting forgetting to stop to hit me from behind behind cars in a middle of a chain of Cars........if I am in front first then I improve my chances.

The last time I went to LA and riding and splitting lanes the CHP was doing double the speeds I was I had to pull over to let them pass I am talking very high speeds they the CHP does it all day long.

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