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post #41 of 57 Old 08-20-2011, 04:36 PM
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So a few questions

-Which PC 5 should one order?

-Do you really need to worry about the ignition on a first gen? On my 05 I had a PC3, DJ Quick shifter and DJ Ignition module, but never had it tuned any way so the Ignition module was pretty much useless.

-From my understanding since the PC 5 autotune's there's really no need to pay some one to "tune" your moto?

-Schematic time OP :)


The 04 I am about to pick up has a PC 3 and I'm thinking about ripping it out in favor of the PC 5


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So a few questions

-Which PC 5 should one order?

-Do you really need to worry about the ignition on a first gen? On my 05 I had a PC3, DJ Quick shifter and DJ Ignition module, but never had it tuned any way so the Ignition module was pretty much useless.

-From my understanding since the PC 5 autotune's there's really no need to pay some one to "tune" your moto?

-Schematic time OP :)


The 04 I am about to pick up has a PC 3 and I'm thinking about ripping it out in favor of the PC 5


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You must get a PC-V for a 3d gen ZX,and 2 posi-taps along with some thin wire. These are all the things you need to make a PC-V work on your bike.

I should really make a schematic,truth is I already have it on paper I just need to scan it. :iamwithst

Now,on 1st gen's since it only has 4 injectors,you don't need an ignition module for the quickshifter to work,just the sensor.But if you want to add some spark advance then you can get one.

Autotune is something that helps the tuner,it doesn't replace him...
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You must get a PC-V for a 3d gen ZX,and 2 posi-taps along with some thin wire. These are all the things you need to make a PC-V work on your bike.

I should really make a schematic,truth is I already have it on paper I just need to scan it. :iamwithst

Now,on 1st gen's since it only has 4 injectors,you don't need an ignition module for the quickshifter to work,just the sensor.But if you want to add some spark advance then you can get one.

Autotune is something that helps the tuner,it doesn't replace him...
SCAN it :)

Is there more tuning options with the V versus the III in regards to being able to tweak more?

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So a few questions

-Which PC 5 should one order?

-Do you really need to worry about the ignition on a first gen? On my 05 I had a PC3, DJ Quick shifter and DJ Ignition module, but never had it tuned any way so the Ignition module was pretty much useless.

Well.. if you did not made so far any use of the IM other than plugging it why would you say itīs useless? I've been able to improve overall the whole curve by adding or subtracting advance where it was necessary so I deffinitely say it is worth, unless you are a turbo/nitrous guy who only cares for big hp increase numbers

-From my understanding since the PC 5 autotune's there's really no need to pay some one to "tune" your moto?

How would you know which it the best AFR? You may get close but only that.
As Balogiannis said itīs a tool but it does not replace a good tuner with a dyno. It saves time.


-Schematic time OP :)


The 04 I am about to pick up has a PC 3 and I'm thinking about ripping it out in favor of the PC 5


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SCAN it :)

Is there more tuning options with the V versus the III in regards to being able to tweak more?

There are indeed a lot more tuning options with the PCV than with the PC3

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SCAN it :)

Is there more tuning options with the V versus the III in regards to being able to tweak more?

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As I mentioned before,PC-V has more tuning capabilities than 99% of the people are going to use. Comparing it to the PC-III is simply unfair. If you just want to make a map that corresponds to your mods and call it a day,then both devices are similar and will get you there with the same results.

From there on,PC-V is more configurable,per gear and per cylinder maps ( so far I haven't seen anyone making individual maps for each cylinder,and only a few spent the time to make 6 maps,one for each gear.)

2 maps via a map switch
Autotune
Ability to control eight injectors with the Secondary Fuel Module
And a few more more specific like guel enrichment per boost etc...


I even used it as a datalogger ( sort of) to help me make maps for my race ECU...
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I wasn't saying the IM was useless. I just meant it really did nothing for me since I never tuned everything. Since you made advancements did it help in creating a better power curve?

Kinda thinking about staying with the PC3 the more I think about it, but just thought the PC5 with Autotune was kinda cool :)

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Yes, undoubtedly help producing more power up top and improving thottle response very clearly all over the entire rpm range. It takes a lot of time and dyno work to extract the utmost performance out of it. Switching back to a zero map shows the dramatic difference in behaviour, specially if you have mods like increased compression or head work.

There is a PCV IM now though. It's a matter of budget. You have all the hardware already so better try to tune your IM first.
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impressive research man!

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id love to see the scan of the wiring you said you had.... i think ill do this over the winter... now the question is... could we do this with a bazzaz zfi/tc?
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