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post #11 of 29 Old 01-03-2018, 08:53 PM
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post #12 of 29 Old 01-04-2018, 04:54 AM Thread Starter
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Thanks everyone for the help. Whatís happening to me is that I got my ecu flashed by a friend tuner and I think he advanced to much. I decreased a few degrees and the bike picked up a couple of miles. But now I got the Woolich autotune and with the afr corrected I feel the bike pinning a little bit but Iím not sure. Iíve been going to the 1/4 mile strip and been doing good times, guess thatís the best dyno. Again thanks for the info.
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Post your timing numbers.. what fuel are you running?

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on gen5 I don't touch timing...
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afr corrected I feel the bike pinning a little bit but Iím not sure. Iíve been going to the 1/4 mile strip and been doing good times, guess thatís the best dyno. Again thanks for the info.
You won't "feel" any pinging unless something is way far off on the bike be it something like lean misfires or the timing being off. Next time it comes up, pull your plugs and look at how they look, that will tell you quite a bit about how the motor is running. One thing you may want to look at is the auto tune values and cycle the logs by gear. You could have the AFR doing something odd in a different gear, so say it's steady at one AFR from X to Y MPH but then once you get into a certain gear at a certain speed, it could be fluctuating there. You can then use the trim map to effectively tune it by gear and correct that offset. This was something we did with Gadson on his H2 and he ended up picking up like 5MPH simply from correcting the AFR per gear.
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I saw first hand on my evo when you get a retarded tuner that has no clue what they are doing with timing maps. If you don't have a dyno, leave it alone

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Great, just forgotten about the fuel trim.
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afr corrected I feel the bike pinning a little bit but Iím not sure. Iíve been going to the 1/4 mile strip and been doing good times, guess thatís the best dyno. Again thanks for the info.
You won't "feel" any pinging unless something is way far off on the bike be it something like lean misfires or the timing being off. Next time it comes up, pull your plugs and look at how they look, that will tell you quite a bit about how the motor is running. One thing you may want to look at is the auto tune values and cycle the logs by gear. You could have the AFR doing something odd in a different gear, so say it's steady at one AFR from X to Y MPH but then once you get into a certain gear at a certain speed, it could be fluctuating there. You can then use the trim map to effectively tune it by gear and correct that offset. This was something we did with Gadson on his H2 and he ended up picking up like 5MPH simply from correcting the AFR per gear.
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That's a lot more timing then I'd feel comfortable running without more octane.

I know archer had good luck with more timing and good fuel but in my expirience I wouldn't go that high at least in the mid range. I start dropping mine at about 8k.

From what I've seen, you don't need additional timing at peak torque, you need a tad less to see more.. and depending on the variables, you'll want between 31ish and 34 or 35 up top.

I find it hard to believe that you've already pulled a few degrees out from the original map... I'd try pulling a few more and see what she does. Do I see 39 in there (I'm on my cell phone)... I wouldn't that personally, eveb with the good 93 I can get locally. I haven't seen any proof that you make any more power with that much, and then add the risk of detention.. yikes

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That's a lot more timing then I'd feel comfortable running without more octane.

I know archer had good luck with more timing and good fuel but in my expirience I wouldn't go that high at least in the mid range. I start dropping mine at about 8k.

From what I've seen, you don't need additional timing at peak torque, you need a tad less to see more.. and depending on the variables, you'll want between 31ish and 34 or 35 up top.

I find it hard to believe that you've already pulled a few degrees out from the original map... I'd try pulling a few more and see what she does. Do I see 39 in there (I'm on my cell phone)... I wouldn't that personally, eveb with the good 93 I can get locally. I haven't seen any proof that you make any more power with that much, and then add the risk of detention.. yikes


I canít see his map clear enough on my phone but after I had the thinner head gasket installed, the Kawasaki Thailand Team tuned my zx10rr and put +4-5 degrees at 100% throttle on 95RON (91 for US guys) pump fuel. Thatís the max setting you can go to in the race ecu software.


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I canít see his map clear enough on my phone but after I had the thinner head gasket installed, the Kawasaki Thailand Team tuned my zx10rr and put +4-5 degrees at 100% throttle on 95RON (91 for US guys) pump fuel. Thatís the max setting you can go to in the race ecu software.


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+4-5??? Please elaborate a little bit more
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