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post #31 of 43 Old 02-15-2017, 07:58 AM
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^ While you are right, reviewers don't seem that excited with the new Blade lol. At this point I just look at them as entertainment and a general description of each bikes characteristics, even though that can sometimes be skewed.


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I've watched a few video reviews and read a few as well, on the new Honda.

It seems that the consensus is:

Bike is incredibly light. ~423lbs wet, this is 600 class light people.
Engine power is good especially with the reduced weight.
Bike is nimble, easy to turn, and easy to ride.
Electronic suspension on R model is great and easy to make quick customized changes to.

Wheelie control sux.

A good update, but not enough to put it at the top of the pack. The electronics are holding the bike back and it was a mistake to not use the IMU as part of wheelie control.

The Honda is also expensive. The base is $17k and you can get the new Gixxer R model with all the bells and whistles for $17k.

The new Gixxer will be the best bang for the buck and unlike the ZX-10R its engine makes great power all over the place.
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The new Gixxer will be the best bang for the buck and unlike the ZX-10R its engine makes great power all over the place.


Only part I find hard to believe. You can get a Gen 5 in the $12k range with every thing the Gixxer R comes with. You are right on the engine tho, its seems to be making power everywhere, but it still remains to be seen if the top end is there with the 10r & S1kRR.
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Supposed dyno run on stock Euro bikes from facebook. Blue is the GSXR, red R1, and green 10r

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If that dyno is true the gixxer is dominating in horsepower and torque the entire time, WOW.
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I sat on a new 2017 GSX-R1000 at the Dallas bike show in January. As usual, the ergonomics are spot on and it is narrow compared with previous gen. Like the ZX-10R, they have the standard model and the high-end model. For the extra $2K you get the Showa Balance Free front forks and the Balance Free Rear Cushion (BFRC Lite) shock.
If I was in the market for a new bike I would be torn between the two. Being a lifelong Kwackhead, I would probably go with the ZX-10R.

Yamaha finally got serious with the R1 in 2015. The 6th Gen R1, 2009-2014, was a sport-touring bike. Graves spent a ton of money making it competitive in AMA Superbike/MotoAmerica. Then again they didn't have a lot of competition since there wasn't any factory bikes and sponsors were tight with purse strings.

Honda CBR1000RR is new for 2017. Other than Honda pointing out it has a "titanium fuel tank" it looks mediocre and if Nicky Hayden's performance on it in WSB's first two rounds is any indication, it still needs a lot of work. To be fair, Red Bull Honda didn't get the new Hondas until right before the start of the season.

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It makes sense that the GSXR1000 makes power throughout the RPM because of the new variable valve timing. It's certainly a big advantage.

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It makes sense that the GSXR1000 makes power throughout the RPM because of the new variable valve timing. It's certainly a big advantage.

Vtec just kicked in yo!
Yes, and the VVT system is a simple mechanical setup. No solenoids or additional electronics
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It makes sense that the GSXR1000 makes power throughout the RPM because of the new variable valve timing. It's certainly a big advantage.

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when you have some time in this game... you see that dyno graph and it its suppose to be like that...

All gixxers come unrestricted from the go, you can reflash but they have already gave you 95%. of their potential

kawas, need to be touched, and R1 also...

when you compare them all flashed, you will see the gixer and the kawa side by side, and the R1 bit behind in the top end.

stock bikes mean nothing to tuners....
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